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Talk:SusanG

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:08:17 GMT

FalseFlag: Fair comment.

== Incident ==
Darn it. I overlooked MarcusCicero's role in upbraiding SusanG. As it is, the article dumps all the blame on Human. I shall amend that soon, though. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 10:05, 14 March 2008 (EST)
'Upbraiding her'? [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:03, 15 March 2008 (EST)

I don't think her real name is Susan she once said that it was the [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=48294 name of an old friend] [[User:BarbaraK|BarbaraK]] 17:38, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Under the circumstances might be best to leave it for now.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:58, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::I thought you could just remove it completely. [[User:BarbaraK|BarbaraK]] 18:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::Fair comment. If we know it's obviously wrong then it shouldn't be there. Thanks.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 18:08, 15 March 2008 (EST)

SusanG

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:06:57 GMT

FalseFlag: name

{{Stalkbox|
|date= 7-22-07[[SusanG#Notes and references|[1]]]
|name= NA
|age= 63[[SusanG#Notes and references|[2]]]
|gender= female
|where= northern United Kingdom.
|stance= antitheist
|misc= feminist; divorcee
}}
'''SusanG''' is [[RationalWiki]] is one of the hardline antitheists on [[RationalWiki]] (while one of several, along with [[Genghis Khant]] and [[Bob M]], no other is as infamous for their abrasive and often belittling way of expressing it). She is also respected and highly valued for her construction of much of the 'Help' pages and the 'navbox' systems. She was sysoped on Sept. 1, 2007 by [[Human]].[[SusanG#Notes and references|[3]]] Seems to share a certain level of comradery with [[Genghis Khant]][[SusanG#Notes and references|[4]]]

She is stern but generally approachable. She is also quite tolerant of [[AmesG]]'s and Human's attempts to hit on her. Occasionally, however, she reveals a more hardline, intolerant side of herself, particularly when it comes to religion. In this respect, she often butts heads with resident theist [[AKjeldsen]].

SusanG, unfortunately, reacts very strongly when others disregard her.

== Kip the Dip Incident ==
<blockquote>''See main article: [[Kip the Dip Incident]]''</blockquote>
In the [[Kip the Dip Incident]], [[AKjeldsen]] overreacted to a mildly snarky comment made by SusanG on new user [[Kip the Dip]]'s page, and blocked her for 9 hours.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[5]]] Furious, SusanG unblocked herself and announced her permanent departure from RationalWiki. Fortunately, she forgave AKjeldsen and decided to remain at the wiki.

== Susan takes her ball and goes home ==
Most recently, after making abrasive and belittling comments ([http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=135490], [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=135507]) about the religious on the main talk page in a brief verbal tussle with Marcus Cicero, Human responded to her comments there[[SusanG#Notes and references|[6]]] and then went to lecture her on her talk page.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[6]]] He then, in a moment of profoundly bad timing, logged off for the night, leaving the wiki to fend for itself against SusanG's wrath.

SusanG asked to be desysoped[[SusanG#Notes and references|[7]]] and then promptly banned herself for 5 years.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[5]]] Blocked and planning on no longer being able to unblock herself, she proceeded to remove references to herself across RationalWiki as an IP.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[8]]]. After blanking her own ''Essay:Credo'', Genghis Khant (clearly running on autopilot and only seeing an IP blank an essay) banned her, then unblocked her once he realized it was Susan.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[9]]] For the short time her first IP's ban was in effect, Susan returned as another IP and continued purging her presence from the wiki.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[10]]] Genghis Khant then attempts to calm SusanG down.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[11]]] Susan unblocked herself only to delete the essay she previously blanked[[SusanG#Notes and references|[12]]] and change her userpage to inform others of her permanent departure from RationalWiki.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[13]]]

Despite the seeming frenzy described in the above paragraph, this entire incident was very abrupt, coming out of nowhere, very low key, involving only SusanG, Marcus Cicero, Human, Genghis Khant (and, if you really want to stretch things, [[Radioactive afikomen]], who was seemingly the only other user to notice that something was going on[[SusanG#Notes and references|[14]]]), and fast, lasting less than 90 minutes.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[15]]]

== Absence ==
It is not known whether SusanG has really gone for good ''(she has)''. If she is, how will RationalWiki handle the abrupt loss of one of their most established editors ''(she'll be forgotten in about 2 days)''? Stand by for updates on this fascinating event by RationalWikiWiki!

== Notes and references ==
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=User%3ASusanG User creation log] for SusanG.
#Age [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=134335&oldid=133427 mentioned] in passing.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ASusanG User rights log] for SusanG.
#SusanG and Genghis Khant are both among the hardcore atheists on RW, and they have similar backgrounds (both are UKers, dicorcees, and middle aged). Witness, Genghis Khant is often the first to come to SusanG's aid when she has been unfairly persecuted[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=135780].
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ASusanG Block log] for SusanG.
#Human [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=135522&oldid=135520 responds] to SusanG's comments on the Main page talk, and [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&curid=4315&diff=135768&oldid=135671 lectures] her on her talk page.
#SusanG's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=135768 response] to Human's lecture.
#SusanG, as an IP address, [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.171.129.79 removes] references to herself on RationalWiki.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3A217.171.129.79+ Block log] for Susan's first IP address.
#SusanG's second IP address' [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.171.129.68 contributions].
#Genghis Khant [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=prev&oldid=135801 attempts to calm] SusanG down.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Essay%3ACredo Deletion log] for Essay:Credo.
#SusanG [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=135807&oldid=135663 announces] her permanent departure from RationalWiki.
#[[RA]] [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Human&curid=15&diff=135793&oldid=135765 queries] Human about Susan. Also reverts her blank of her own essay: ''(Undo revision 135788 by 217.171.129.79 You have the right to leave, Susan. But you do not have the right to take others' memories of you.)''
#1 hour and 26 minutes between Human's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&curid=4315&diff=135768&oldid=135671 instigating lecture] and SusanG's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=135807&oldid=135663 finale]

== See also ==
*[[Petition for the return of SusanG]]

[[category:Users]][[category:Significant RationalWikians]]
[[category:RationalWiki sysops]][[category:Female RationalWikians]]

Talk:SusanG

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:58:41 GMT

FalseFlag: might be best to leave it for now.

User talk:76.10.172.106

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:55:53 GMT

FalseFlag: Hello - with your own template perhaps.

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:45:22 GMT

FalseFlag: /* New Main Page */ "in your face"

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::You really have to go check the histories, FF. The MC/Susan flap started her packing up. Long before my reproof, she had reduced her user page to saying only "castle" and had withdrawn from discussion. People even made jokes about the castle thing - see "rook" and o-o-o, above the reproof. I would say we need to look at about four places - the history of her user and talk pages, the history of the Mormon post discussion, and Susan's contribs, to get a handle on the order things happened and who was "involved". {{User:Human/sig}} 15:51, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Ok, but our sequences are similar aren't they? I have MS's action before yours, though I admit that the implication of my post is that her departure was subsequent to your post. If this is in error then I retract it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::How about calling it The "Tourette's attack episode". Wonderfully snarky.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:25, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Sure, there are 64,000,000 colors ;). So, use the logo orange for the borders and a lighter version for the header backgrounds? Should be easy... {{User:Human/sig}} 15:48, 15 March 2008 (EST)
I tried that out. Opinions? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Nice, (actually very nice) but is there any way to make it more edgy?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Thanks! Can you tell me what you mean by "edgy"? You mean high-contrast colors? Pictures of nekkid people? Blinking text in MS comic sans? Let me know and I'll try to accomplish it. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:09, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::Well, maybe it's a little bit ''too'' nice. We're a rather "in your face" sort of place and maybe we should have something more aggressive. Sadly, my knowledge of color combinations isn't at the same standard as my ideas.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:25:54 GMT

FalseFlag: /* Today's activities */ Tourette's attack episode

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::You really have to go check the histories, FF. The MC/Susan flap started her packing up. Long before my reproof, she had reduced her user page to saying only "castle" and had withdrawn from discussion. People even made jokes about the castle thing - see "rook" and o-o-o, above the reproof. I would say we need to look at about four places - the history of her user and talk pages, the history of the Mormon post discussion, and Susan's contribs, to get a handle on the order things happened and who was "involved". {{User:Human/sig}} 15:51, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Ok, but our sequences are similar aren't they? I have MS's action before yours, though I admit that the implication of my post is that her departure was subsequent to your post. If this is in error then I retract it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::How about calling it The "Tourette's attack episode". Wonderfully snarky.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:25, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Sure, there are 64,000,000 colors ;). So, use the logo orange for the borders and a lighter version for the header backgrounds? Should be easy... {{User:Human/sig}} 15:48, 15 March 2008 (EST)
I tried that out. Opinions? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Nice, (actually very nice) but is there any way to make it more edgy?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Thanks! Can you tell me what you mean by "edgy"? You mean high-contrast colors? Pictures of nekkid people? Blinking text in MS comic sans? Let me know and I'll try to accomplish it. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:09, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

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FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:48:38 GMT

FalseFlag: small re-word

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Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:45:51 GMT

FalseFlag: /* New Main Page */

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::You really have to go check the histories, FF. The MC/Susan flap started her packing up. Long before my reproof, she had reduced her user page to saying only "castle" and had withdrawn from discussion. People even made jokes about the castle thing - see "rook" and o-o-o, above the reproof. I would say we need to look at about four places - the history of her user and talk pages, the history of the Mormon post discussion, and Susan's contribs, to get a handle on the order things happened and who was "involved". {{User:Human/sig}} 15:51, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Ok, but our sequences are similar aren't they? I have MS's action before yours, though I admit that the implication of my post is that her departure was subsequent to your post. If this is in error then I retract it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Sure, there are 64,000,000 colors ;). So, use the logo orange for the borders and a lighter version for the header backgrounds? Should be easy... {{User:Human/sig}} 15:48, 15 March 2008 (EST)
I tried that out. Opinions? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Nice, (actually very nice) but is there any way to make it more edgy?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:43:11 GMT

FalseFlag: /* Today's activities */

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::You really have to go check the histories, FF. The MC/Susan flap started her packing up. Long before my reproof, she had reduced her user page to saying only "castle" and had withdrawn from discussion. People even made jokes about the castle thing - see "rook" and o-o-o, above the reproof. I would say we need to look at about four places - the history of her user and talk pages, the history of the Mormon post discussion, and Susan's contribs, to get a handle on the order things happened and who was "involved". {{User:Human/sig}} 15:51, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Ok, but our sequences are similar aren't they? I have MS's action before yours, though I admit that the implication of my post is that her departure was subsequent to your post. If this is in error then I retract it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Sure, there are 64,000,000 colors ;). So, use the logo orange for the borders and a lighter version for the header backgrounds? Should be easy... {{User:Human/sig}} 15:48, 15 March 2008 (EST)
I tried that out. Opinions? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Template talk:Welcome

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:36:18 GMT

FalseFlag: Very nice.

Very nice.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:36, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:18:36 GMT

FalseFlag: /* Today's activities */

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:04:27 GMT

FalseFlag: /* New Main Page */

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:42:59 GMT

FalseFlag: /* Today's activities */ Any ideas Hans?

Talk:Pinto's5150

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:37:07 GMT

FalseFlag: An agnostic in salt Lake City?

Umm.... that template seems to have failed. Also, as I'm not to edit this, can someone update my stalk box into one of the nifty new fangled ones? [[User:76.27.5.149|76.27.5.149]] 01:56, 8 March 2008 (EST)
:An agnostic in salt Lake City? Can we verify this information? It's possible, of course, but it has the feel of disinformacion at the moment. --[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:27:18 GMT

FalseFlag: /* Adminship */ petition admin.

User talk:MarcusCicero

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:20:37 GMT

FalseFlag: Hello

Hi. I'm afraid we don't have a welcome template yet.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:20, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Petition for the return of SusanG

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:12:49 GMT

FalseFlag: It's the thought that counts.

Are there enough of us to matter? {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 13:59, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:It's the thought that counts.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:12, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:10:53 GMT

FalseFlag: /* New Main Page */ Great Ryan.

User talk:Ryan

FalseFlag — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:59:52 GMT

FalseFlag: I see that your mainpage work has already been called "fantastic" and "magnificent"

Blab blab blab.
----

== Mainpage ==
Fantastic job on the mainpage Ryan. Well done.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 03:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Yes, nice work! {{User:Human/sig}} 03:50, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Thanks! --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 04:12, 15 March 2008 (EST)
It is magnificent, Ryan. You did a wonderful job on it. --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 04:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
: Thanks. --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 04:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::I see that your mainpage work has already been called "fantastic" and "magnificent" so I'm a bit short of adjectives. I see that "excellent", "wonderful" and "first class" remain available though so I shall use them. I must say that this very positive contribution of yours shows you in a different light. Well done that man. --[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Petition for the return of SusanG

FalseFlag — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:54:27 GMT

FalseFlag:

Those in favor of the return of [[SusanG]] to [[RationalWiki]] please sign below. Named users only please. IP's don't count.

== Pro ==
--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:54, 14 March 2008 (EST)

== Con ==
Users [[Elassint]] and [[Ryan]] are reminded that they can only vote once.

Talk:Main Page

FalseFlag — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:45:19 GMT

FalseFlag: Today's activities

AKjeldsen

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:45:17 GMT

FalseFlag: Outed on RW.

{{promem}}

{{Stalkbox|
|date=
|name= Andreas Kjeldsen
|age= 27-28
|gender=Male
|where= Copenhagen, Denmark.
|stance= theist
|misc= historian
}}

'''AKjeldsen''' is the sixth user who appeared in the user creation logs in [[1784]], and is probably one of the [[cabal]] members.

Self confessed God-botherer, AKjeldsen is perhaps an unusual figure amongst the atheists and agnostics who make up the majority of the population of RW. Although he is an active editor he usually takes pains not to allow his own beliefs to intrude too much upon the rationalists. However, when he is having a bad day, a streak of holy fire sometimes shows through.

Perhaps because of their differing points of view he is sometimes known to clash with [[SusanG]]. Their most notable confrontation to date being [[The "Kip the Dip" Incident]].

He is also the author of the [[conservapedia]] column.

== References ==
[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Conservapedia:L.A._Times Andreas Kjeldsen outed on RW]

[[Category:Significant RationalWikians]]
[[Category:Cabalists]]
[[Category:RW Founder Members]]
[[Category:RW sysops]]

User talk:Hans Johnson

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:17:48 GMT

FalseFlag: /* Dates */ Fine by me.

I welcome myself. --[[User:Hans Johnson|Hans Johnson]] 16:56, 16 February 2008 (EST)

== Vandalism? ==

No, I think not. I choose not to conform to your petty and mortal impositions of the nature of my art. Why must you impose your so-called 'moderation', the assertion of an objective truth where there is truly none, here, may I ask? Such hypocrisy, such disdain for fine culture, it's no surprise that society is going to the proverbial Alsatians. [[User:Oberkommando NeuGwenson|Oberkommando NeuGwenson]] 19:29, 25 February 2008 (EST)

== The ==
I've got no particular problem with your removing the article. Actually that's ambiguous isn't it? How about I've got no particular problem with your removing the "The"? But that's inelegant. Blast. Anyway, you get the idea. My question is why? What's wrong with the "The"?--[[FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:58, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:It is common practice to drop "the" from names, especially events. Only book titles get away with it. --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 16:39, 29 February 2008 (EST)

== RationalWiki article ==
I seem to have messed up our [[rationalWiki]] article when fixing some pagemove vandalism the other day. It now redirects to itself. I just tried to restore an earlier version but it didn't appear to work. Do you think you could get your hans on it? Thanks.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:37, 5 March 2008 (EST)
:I shall try. --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 20:46, 5 March 2008 (EST)
::Fixed. --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 20:48, 5 March 2008 (EST)
:::Great. Thanks for that.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:28, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== Dates ==
Using RWW dating is very difficult, due to a lack of references. Sine we probably won't ever manage to make something automatic, can we at least build a table that converts the few hundred dates since RW1 was founded? What do you think? {{User:Human/sig}} 18:01, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:I agree. How would one create such a thing?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 18:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:I came after RWW dating system was implemented, so I haven't had much of an opportunity to express my opinion on it. I am opposed to it. The system is confusing, pointless, and a failed attempt at creating an inside joke. Only the four people who regularly edit here get it. Our dating system has no purpose if people are just going to look up the "real" date in a table anyways. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 18:38, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::FF: If it were I, I'd build a table with 4 or 6 columns, and use excel to populate with "real dates" and their corresponding "RWW date". Then paste it in. HJ: I also agree with you. ''If'' it could be automated, it would be cool, but I suspect we don't have the extensions we'd need (I could do it in 2 minutes over at RW, but the code doesn;t work here). Also, kind of agreeing with HJ, the conversion is bizarrely unrelated to anything. having May 22 be +1 and May 21 be -1 (1 BCE, as it were), woudl have made sense. Anyway, it's not "my" site, and I've tried to use RWW dates when I can, don't mind looking them up, etc. So I'll let FF mull this over for a bit. Let me know if you want me to make such a table, or if you decide just to use the Gregorian calendar ;) {{User:Human/sig}} 21:13, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::2008 RWW date is actually January 1st 2008 RL date, if I understand the system correctly, so it's not ''entirely'' detached from reality. I don't really mind the system as it is, but then again, I'm used to dealing with obscure calendars on a regular basis, so... ;-) --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 21:23, 7 March 2008 (EST)
I see you have utterly abandoned any pretense to the RWW dating scheme. I don't know where you are in the hierarchy here, but if that bizarre dating is to be dropped in favor of the Gregorian calendar, please make the appropriate changes across the wiki so the rest of us can follow suit. Personally, the only reason I can tolerate it is that 2008 dates so far have been easy to calculate. Thanks, {{User:Human/sig}} 01:48, 12 March 2008 (EST)
:I hope that nobody has misunderstood my position here. I am not the owner or administrator of this site. The dating decision is not mine to make. It is a question for [[User:Admin]].--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:36, 12 March 2008 (EST)
::Nor am I. [[User:Admin|Admin]] is the ultimate authority here. --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 15:04, 12 March 2008 (EST)
:::Well, perhaps the three of us, who seem to be doing most of the work, have the "right" to overthrow what might have been a funny idea, but has turned into a real pain in the ass? I certainly think that a lot of what we report on should be dated, but the chore of conversion tends to make us simply not list dates. I think it would be fine if we just started using "real" dates for clarity (and informative reasons), and if Admin wants to change them, fine. If Admin gets mad and tells us to stop, fine. If Admin has an opinion on the matter, maybe they will chime in? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:11, 12 March 2008 (EST)
::::Agreed on all counts. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 15:15, 12 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Fine by me.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (EST)

== Ron Jeremy ==
I'm not sure that I like the name "Ron Jermey" award for prominent users. Can you think of somebody more appropriate we should commemorate?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:44, 11 March 2008 (EST)
:How about we say "False Flag" award? You ''are'' the person who gives them out. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 17:14, 11 March 2008 (EST)
::I hadn't though of that. I, in my modest way, was thinking of some other worthies. I mean I'd like the fame and attention and chance to pull the chicks and everything, but "The False Flag Prominent Member Award" isn't really funny in the nudge nudge way that Ron Jeremy is, is it?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:34, 11 March 2008 (EST)
:::I suppose so. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 17:48, 11 March 2008 (EST)
:::I did not know who Ron Jeremy was until just now; I googled him. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 17:48, 11 March 2008 (EST)
::::I think he's a good choice, as probably the best known modern day male porn star. Using ones from the past like John Holmes would be even more strange. One possibility is that guy who is (was?) married to Pamela Anderson - at her roast on CC all anyone said about him was how prominent his member is. Tommy Lee, that's it. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:06, 11 March 2008 (EST)
:::::I rather Ron Jeremy than Tommy Lee. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 19:38, 11 March 2008 (EST)

Page-bump operation

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:01:22 GMT

FalseFlag:

A '''page bump operation''' is an activity carried out from time to time by the [[Cabal]] to distort [[Conservapedia]] statistics.

== See also ==
[[Operation Smoke and Mirrors]]

[[category:special operations]]

Cabal

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:00:32 GMT

FalseFlag: expansion

The original founding terrorist members at [[RationalWiki]].

== Purpose ==
According to RationalWiki:

''The Hidden Forum is an uber-top secret forum hidden from public view that has been used in the past by some members to reveal the identity of socks on conservapedia and to coordinate occasional actions. It has also been a place to discuss certain high-profile interactions between conservapedians who edit this site when having those discussions in public would harm those individuals''

One may assume that this refers to activities such as the [[Samwell Incident]] and possibly the activities of [[MexMax]].

They also seem to organize [[page-bump operation]]s such as [[Operation Smoke and Mirrors]].

== Identities ==
Their identities have been revealed as a result of indifferent investigation by the [[FBI]] and have been exclusively revealed to this website under the understanding that they don't really care that much about the issue.

It is understood that the FBI is also vigorously not investigating the [[Special Discussion Group]].

Some of the identities which have been revealed so far are:

*[[Tmtoulouse]] Founder and owner or the terrorist training camp.
*[[AKjeldsen]], AKA "The Hammer of God". Wildly suspected of being European.
*[[Bob M]], AKA "Dawkins' poodle". Convicted of being European.
*[[human|Human]], suspected sockpuppet of Helena Bonham Carter.
*[[Cracker]]
*[[Genghis Khant]]
*[[GodlessLiberal]]
*[[Helios]]
*[[Hojimachong]]
*[[Horace]]
*[[JTL]]
*[[Linus]]
*[[Kels]]
*[[PalMD]]
*[[Sid]]
*[[Sterile]]
*[[TimS]]
*[[Wikinterpreter]]
*[[Colin]] - although he is as absent from the forums as he is from the wiki.

(Are there any more?)

More of the history of the cabal can be found at [[RationalWiki Forums]]

== See also ==
[[Rationalwiki.info|The RationalWiki "revelation" site which lists the cabal members]]

== External links ==
[http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/RationalWiki:Guide_to_the_Hidden_Forum_%28or_there_is_no_cabal%29 RationalWiki's own site which lists cabal members]

[[category:special operations]][[category:secret societies]]

Page-bump operation

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:57:51 GMT

FalseFlag:

A '''page bump operation''' is an activity carried out from time to time by the [[Cabal]] to distort [[Conservapedia]] statistics.

[[category:special operations]]

Operation Smoke and Mirrors

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:55:28 GMT

FalseFlag:

'''Operation Smoke and Mirrors''', which was a [[page-bump operation]] carried out by the [[cabal]] that led to "[[Goat]]" being the #1 most-viewed article on Conservapedia.

[[category:special operations]]

User talk:Hans Johnson

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:36:49 GMT

FalseFlag: /* Dates */ I hope that nobody has misunderstood my position here.

I welcome myself. --[[User:Hans Johnson|Hans Johnson]] 16:56, 16 February 2008 (EST)

== Vandalism? ==

No, I think not. I choose not to conform to your petty and mortal impositions of the nature of my art. Why must you impose your so-called 'moderation', the assertion of an objective truth where there is truly none, here, may I ask? Such hypocrisy, such disdain for fine culture, it's no surprise that society is going to the proverbial Alsatians. [[User:Oberkommando NeuGwenson|Oberkommando NeuGwenson]] 19:29, 25 February 2008 (EST)

== The ==
I've got no particular problem with your removing the article. Actually that's ambiguous isn't it? How about I've got no particular problem with your removing the "The"? But that's inelegant. Blast. Anyway, you get the idea. My question is why? What's wrong with the "The"?--[[FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:58, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:It is common practice to drop "the" from names, especially events. Only book titles get away with it. --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 16:39, 29 February 2008 (EST)

== RationalWiki article ==
I seem to have messed up our [[rationalWiki]] article when fixing some pagemove vandalism the other day. It now redirects to itself. I just tried to restore an earlier version but it didn't appear to work. Do you think you could get your hans on it? Thanks.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:37, 5 March 2008 (EST)
:I shall try. --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 20:46, 5 March 2008 (EST)
::Fixed. --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 20:48, 5 March 2008 (EST)
:::Great. Thanks for that.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:28, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== Dates ==
Using RWW dating is very difficult, due to a lack of references. Sine we probably won't ever manage to make something automatic, can we at least build a table that converts the few hundred dates since RW1 was founded? What do you think? {{User:Human/sig}} 18:01, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:I agree. How would one create such a thing?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 18:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:I came after RWW dating system was implemented, so I haven't had much of an opportunity to express my opinion on it. I am opposed to it. The system is confusing, pointless, and a failed attempt at creating an inside joke. Only the four people who regularly edit here get it. Our dating system has no purpose if people are just going to look up the "real" date in a table anyways. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 18:38, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::FF: If it were I, I'd build a table with 4 or 6 columns, and use excel to populate with "real dates" and their corresponding "RWW date". Then paste it in. HJ: I also agree with you. ''If'' it could be automated, it would be cool, but I suspect we don't have the extensions we'd need (I could do it in 2 minutes over at RW, but the code doesn;t work here). Also, kind of agreeing with HJ, the conversion is bizarrely unrelated to anything. having May 22 be +1 and May 21 be -1 (1 BCE, as it were), woudl have made sense. Anyway, it's not "my" site, and I've tried to use RWW dates when I can, don't mind looking them up, etc. So I'll let FF mull this over for a bit. Let me know if you want me to make such a table, or if you decide just to use the Gregorian calendar ;) {{User:Human/sig}} 21:13, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::2008 RWW date is actually January 1st 2008 RL date, if I understand the system correctly, so it's not ''entirely'' detached from reality. I don't really mind the system as it is, but then again, I'm used to dealing with obscure calendars on a regular basis, so... ;-) --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 21:23, 7 March 2008 (EST)
I see you have utterly abandoned any pretense to the RWW dating scheme. I don't know where you are in the hierarchy here, but if that bizarre dating is to be dropped in favor of the Gregorian calendar, please make the appropriate changes across the wiki so the rest of us can follow suit. Personally, the only reason I can tolerate it is that 2008 dates so far have been easy to calculate. Thanks, {{User:Human/sig}} 01:48, 12 March 2008 (EST)
:I hope that nobody has misunderstood my position here. I am not the owner or administrator of this site. The dating decision is not mine to make. It is a question for [[User:Admin]].--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:36, 12 March 2008 (EST)

== Ron Jeremy ==
I'm not sure that I like the name "Ron Jermey" award for prominent users. Can you think of somebody more appropriate we should commemorate?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:44, 11 March 2008 (EST)
:How about we say "False Flag" award? You ''are'' the person who gives them out. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 17:14, 11 March 2008 (EST)
::I hadn't though of that. I, in my modest way, was thinking of some other worthies. I mean I'd like the fame and attention and chance to pull the chicks and everything, but "The False Flag Prominent Member Award" isn't really funny in the nudge nudge way that Ron Jeremy is, is it?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:34, 11 March 2008 (EST)
:::I suppose so. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 17:48, 11 March 2008 (EST)
:::I did not know who Ron Jeremy was until just now; I googled him. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 17:48, 11 March 2008 (EST)
::::I think he's a good choice, as probably the best known modern day male porn star. Using ones from the past like John Holmes would be even more strange. One possibility is that guy who is (was?) married to Pamela Anderson - at her roast on CC all anyone said about him was how prominent his member is. Tommy Lee, that's it. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:06, 11 March 2008 (EST)
:::::I rather Ron Jeremy than Tommy Lee. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 19:38, 11 March 2008 (EST)

Cabal

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:24:27 GMT

FalseFlag: slight expansion

The original founding terrorist members at [[RationalWiki]].

== Purpose ==
According to RationalWiki:

''The Hidden Forum is an uber-top secret forum hidden from public view that has been used in the past by some members to reveal the identity of socks on conservapedia and to coordinate occasional actions. It has also been a place to discuss certain high-profile interactions between conservapedians who edit this site when having those discussions in public would harm those individuals''

One may assume that this refers to activities such as the [[Samwell Incident]] and possibly the activities of [[MexMax]].

== Identities ==
Their identities have been revealed as a result of indifferent investigation by the [[FBI]] and have been exclusively revealed to this website under the understanding that they don't really care that much about the issue.

It is understood that the FBI is also vigorously not investigating the [[Special Discussion Group]].

Some of the identities which have been revealed so far are:

*[[Tmtoulouse]] Founder and owner or the terrorist training camp.
*[[AKjeldsen]], AKA "The Hammer of God". Wildly suspected of being European.
*[[Bob M]], AKA "Dawkins' poodle". Convicted of being European.
*[[human|Human]], suspected sockpuppet of Helena Bonham Carter.
*[[Cracker]]
*[[Genghis Khant]]
*[[GodlessLiberal]]
*[[Helios]]
*[[Hojimachong]]
*[[Horace]]
*[[JTL]]
*[[Linus]]
*[[Kels]]
*[[PalMD]]
*[[Sid]]
*[[Sterile]]
*[[TimS]]
*[[Wikinterpreter]]
*[[Colin]] - although he is as absent from the forums as he is from the wiki.

(Are there any more?)

More of the history of the cabal can be found at [[RationalWiki Forums]]

== See also ==
[[Rationalwiki.info|The RationalWiki "revelation" site which lists the cabal members]]

== External links ==
[http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/RationalWiki:Guide_to_the_Hidden_Forum_%28or_there_is_no_cabal%29 RationalWiki's own site which lists cabal members]

[[category:special operations]][[category:secret societies]]

MexMax

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:22:43 GMT

FalseFlag: see also

An editor who obtained some fame on [[conservapedia]] and then turned on them before arriving at [[RationalWiki]].

Opinion is divided over whether this was a (deniable) RW operation from the start or an independent editor. However the editor:

*1. Seems to have acted according to a long term plan.
*2. Seems to have been aware of all the significant RW/cabal personalities; as can be seen by his unblock list below.
*3. Turned up at RW immediately following his departure from CP.

Finally, as can be seen below, a rather clumsy attempt was made to try to distance the cabal from the action by making a false claim on WIGO.

On balance therefore it looks like an RW/cabal operation, though naturally MexMax denied this and claimed that he hadn't heard of RationalWiki until recently.

==Unblocking the cabal==
For clarity, the first fifteen named unblocks carried out by MexMax on CP are shown here. With the exception of RSchlafly and TK, they are all suspected [[cabal]] members.

*[[Helios]]
*[[Human]]
*[[GodlessLiberal]]
*[[Wikinterpreter]]
*[[Horace]]
*[[RSchlafly]] - Not known to be a cabal member.
*[[Icewedge]]
*[[Samwell]] - Acknowledged cabal sock.
*[[Cracker]]
*[[Linus]]
*[[TK]] - Hopefully not a member of the cabal.
*[[Hojimachong]]
*[[Tmtoulouse]]
*[[AmesG]]
*[[PalMD]]001

==Shading the evidence==
The relevant WIGO note about the incident tries to hide the above when it claims the he unblocked: "a couple old-school Cabal users". In reality its almost the whole cabal, and this seems to suggest another slightly clumsy attempt to obscure events.

== See also ==
[[Samwell Incident]]

[[Category:Suspected Socks]]
[[Category:RW secret operations]]

Samwell Incident

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:21:50 GMT

FalseFlag: see also

The '''Samwell Incident''' refers to the auctioning of [[Samwell]], a [[Conservapedia]] account with sysop powers.

== Auctioning ==
There is no record of such an auction on [[RationalWiki]] or the [[RationalWiki Forums]].

A subsequent post on [[WIGO]] stated:
<blockquote>*A day that will live in infamy, as "Samwell," whom Andy had generously given blocking privileges, turns out to be a RationalWiki user and blocks nearly all administrators (!). The account was "auctioned off" to the highest bidder in the first RationalWiki fundraising auction. The winning bid -- $10π.</blockquote>

Based on a comment on his talk page it seems Samwell was originally maintained by [[Cracker]]. It is not clear who ultimately assumed ownership of the account, however.

== Reaction ==
The auction provoked [[Headless Chicken Mode]] level two or three and led to the departure of [[Jazzman831]]. [[AmesG]] claims that RationalWiki apologized for the incident, but it is not clear where this apology can be found.

== See also ==
[[MexMax]]

[[category:special operations]]
[[Category:Low Drama]]

Cabal

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:15:18 GMT

FalseFlag: Slight tidy-up. May need to update this.

The original founding terrorist members at [[RationalWiki]].

Their identities have been revealed as a result of indifferent investigation by the [[FBI]] and have been exclusively revealed to this website under the understanding that they don't really care that much about the issue.

It is understood that the FBI is also vigorously not investigating the [[Special Discussion Group]].

Some of the identities which have been revealed so far are:

*[[Tmtoulouse]] Founder and owner or the terrorist training camp.
*[[AKjeldsen]], AKA "The Hammer of God". Wildly suspected of being European.
*[[Bob M]], AKA "Dawkins' poodle". Convicted of being European.
*[[human|Human]], suspected sockpuppet of Helena Bonham Carter.
*[[Cracker]]
*[[Genghis Khant]]
*[[GodlessLiberal]]
*[[Helios]]
*[[Hojimachong]]
*[[Horace]]
*[[JTL]]
*[[Linus]]
*[[Kels]]
*[[PalMD]]
*[[Sid]]
*[[Sterile]]
*[[TimS]]
*[[Wikinterpreter]]
*[[Colin]] - although he is as absent from the forums as he is from the wiki.

(Are there any more?)

More of the history of the cabal can be found at [[RationalWiki Forums]]

== See also ==
[[Rationalwiki.info|The RationalWiki "revelation" site which lists the cabal members]]

== External links ==
[http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/RationalWiki:Guide_to_the_Hidden_Forum_%28or_there_is_no_cabal%29 RationalWiki's own site which lists cabal members]

[[category:special operations]][[category:secret societies]]

Talk:Malicious block

FalseFlag — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:10:47 GMT

FalseFlag:

What about the time I server blocked TK? That pissed ''everyone'' off. Oh and whats wrong with the excuse it was only for "n" seconds. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 14:03, 12 March 2008 (EST)
:Are you saying that you want to be added to the list? Hey! No problemo! The "only for x seconds" excuse is wrong because it's a misuse of power for "x" seconds. It's like a little bit of torture is still torture. OK bad comparison, perhaps, but it makes the point.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 12 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Ryan

FalseFlag — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:40:20 GMT

FalseFlag:

I don't hate Ryan. --[[User:Interpreted|Interpreted]]
:Hmm... you are one of a few... are you Wikinterpreter? --[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 00:36, 29 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't hate Ryan. I am just sometimes mildly irritated by him. I really like his user page on RW, though. {{User:Human/sig}} 22:10, 7 January 2008 (EST)
:::I got that from another Ryan on Wikipedia. --[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 03:16, 8 January 2008 (EST)
::::Since when am I significant? --[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 02:09, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Not to whine, but I never really enjoyed edit warring. Can someone change this? --[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 18:19, 9 March 2008 (EST)
:Would you prefer "habitually indulges in"?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:40, 11 March 2008 (EST)

User talk:Hans Johnson

FalseFlag — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:34:56 GMT

FalseFlag: /* Ron Jeremy */

User talk:Hans Johnson

FalseFlag — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:44:10 GMT

FalseFlag: Ron Jeremy

TK

FalseFlag — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:52:38 GMT

FalseFlag: update

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|date=0, claims RW1
|name=Terry K.
|age=early 50's (?)
|gender=Male
|where=USA
|stance=ID, old earth?
|misc=Controversial user.
}}
Perhaps the most controversial member of [[RationalWiki]].

==History at CP==
Prior to the creation of RationalWiki, TK had been responsible for blocking many (probably most) of the users of RW from [[conservapedia]]. He was also one of the CP sysops who had a sock on RW1 prior to its demise - though he was probably not personally responsible for identifying its existence, which apparently had been revealed on the [[Special Discussion Group]].

==Entry in RW2==
Before the winding up of RW1 the mysterious "[[Colin]]" - who may or may not be in [[Guantanamo]] - had apparently told all existing RW1 members that they could be sysops in RW2.
As a result of this, following the creation of RW2, TK insisted that this allegedly off-the-cuff remark gave him the right to sysop status because he had had an inactive sock on the previous site - and which he had been partly responsible for bringing down. Not surprisingly his sysop request led to some acrimonious debates both because of his activity as a sysop on CP and because of the nature of his involvement on RW1.

However, to further his case he had the [[FBI]] waterboard the elusive “Colin” and got him to create the infamous “[[Clean Slate]]” directive; which was, incidentally, his last official act on RW. This directive stated that actions prior to the creation of RW2 could not be held against a user.

Notwithstanding all TK’s demands, accusations, complaints and machinations he was unable to get sysop at that time and eventually he took away his ball and went back to CP.

==Return to RW2==
He made some subsequent sock forays into RW, and in one instance seems to have obtained access to the [[cabal]], making him, at the time, the only person to have membership of that organization and “The Special Discussion Group” simultaneously. More recently he visited RW again under the now-outed sock [[Night Train]] where he once more attempted to gain allies for a hypothetical attack on CP. However the sock’s activities, attitudes and obsessions soon caused people to guess the puppet master’s identity.

==Revenge==
Foiled yet again in his attempt to gain some power in RationalWiki, he used data obtained from his time in the cabal (or possibly [[Cabal 2]]) to create the website [[Rationalwiki.info]] both as revenge and as an attempt to coerce some members in RW to cut him some slack. In this he was unsuccessful and the website was greeted with disinterest and derision.

Following all this, and for apparently other reasons, he was desysoped from CP. In revenge for this he temporarily opened up their Special Discussion Group for general viewing, although this only lasted a short time before alleged legal threats from [[Andrew Schlafly]] and his FBI agents forced him to lock it down again.

==Return again to RW2 and sysop bid==
Having nowhere else to go, he returned to RW where he continued his campaign to be made a sysop, this time by attempting to re-write the rules so that they would eventually be more favourable to his sysop bid.

During this time he continued his battle with the old guard ([[Human]], [[SusanG]], [[Kels]] and [[AmesG]] while trying to seduce younger and prettier members on the site.

==Final (?) ban==
See full article: [[The Great TK banning Incident]]

Following a high profile and somewhat chaotic voting process he was eventually banned from the site. His ban length was then changed various times either following sekrit appeals, or for esoteric numerical reasons allegedly associated with the [[Fibonacci sequence]]. He maintains several partially active socks on the site, but has only posted a few poisonous messages. Like his alter ego [[User:RationalCitizen|RationalCitizen]] he continues to give the game away by making the same idiotic spellin mistakes.

His main account was unblocked on time on 10th March by [[AKjeldsen]] and this was immediately followed by a welcome back message from [[Bohdan]]'s sock "TmtamesP". AmesG, suffering from his usual inability to restrain himself where TK is concerned, chimed in with "maybe he did leave for good (except his socks)?", but subsequently relented and burnt the evidence by deleting the talk page comment. (Naughty Ames.) Later that day [[Genghis Khant]] reprotected the article - which might have been a little hasty.

Perhaps he's gone.

==See also==
[[Rationalwiki.info]]

[[Category:Significant RationalWikians]]
[[Category:High Drama]]
[[Category:Ex CP Sysops]]

Robledo

FalseFlag — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:33:34 GMT

FalseFlag:

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'''Robledo''' is only notable for sparking the [[Great TK banning Incident]].

[[category:Minor RationalWikians]]

Category talk:Conservapedians

FalseFlag — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:31:59 GMT

FalseFlag: Given the definition of this category should Newton be included?

Given the definition of this category should Newton be included?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:31, 11 March 2008 (EST)

RationalWikiWiki:Editing your own article

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:59:34 GMT

FalseFlag: clarification

'''Editing your own article page''' is something that cool users don't do.

*It might get you a block.
*It might get your page protected.

'''If you don't like what has been said, or you want an edit, then please whine pathetically about it on the talk page.'''

== Frequently asked questions ==
*'''Question:''' Hey. I'm an important person on [[RationalWiki]] but there is no article about me. What should I do?
*'''Answer:''' In this case (and only this case) you may create an article page with the words, "Please say something about me, I feel left out." or words to that effect. Alternatively, pester [[User talk:FalseFlag|FalseFlag]] or [[User talk:Hans Johnson|Hans Johnson]]. If they ignore your request, you must not be ''that'' important.

== Note ==
It is probable that edits made by anonymous IPs which have the look and feel of edits made by the user themselves will be treated as though they were, in fact, made by the editor themselves.

[[Category:Rules]]

Template talk:Stalkbox

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:56:32 GMT

FalseFlag:

== Looking good. ==
Looks good.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:39, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Thanks. If you want any changes, let me know here, at my talk page, or at my talk page on RW. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:57, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::What do you think about links back to the RW user page? And/Or to any announced exterior homepage? The problem is that you then need to fill out that damn confirmation box each time you make an edit.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:47, 9 March 2008 (EST)
:::It would be easy to make the links (using <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>), but, as you say, captcha would then make life miserable. But links to their user pages, talk pages and contribs would make a ''lot'' of sense. Shall we try it and see if it gets on our nerves too much? Just say yes and I'll paste the links in a bar across the bottom... {{User:Human/sig}} 17:08, 9 March 2008 (EST)
::::Mmmmmm- OK, let's try it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:46, 9 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Done. Also made more use of RWW Orange. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:56, 9 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Oh, and tested - it does not force a "captcha", since there isn't really an "htxtp" thing on the pages themselves. Cool. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:58, 9 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Hey. That's seriously cool. I mean seriously. Great way to pick up diffs too. Any to insert diffs that don't kick off a "captcha"?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 18:05, 9 March 2008 (EST)
<-- Thanks! I'm glad I thought of grabbing the logo color for it. As far as diffs, well, I suppose a template that has the htxtp www rw.com/wiki part built in ''might'' do it. I'm still not sure this really gets around captcha, though, since I managed to save a page with an EL the second time I edited it with no "security check". Maybe it only kicks in if you actually add or change a link? You might want to sandbox that, and test adding some diffs, then just editng other text, etc. If you want me to make the template, just tell me what to call it. <nowiki>({{diff}}?)</nowiki> {{User:Human/sig}} 18:12, 9 March 2008 (EST)

Thinking of adding "Signs as"? Might be useful, just a thought. {{User:Human/sig}} 04:51, 10 March 2008 (EST)
:I guess so. How many people use a different sig?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:36, 10 March 2008 (EST)
::I guess I was also thinking of the users with "strange" signatures, as well. That is, ones that aren't just silly colors, but use odd characters, like interpreted. Probably no big deal. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:49, 10 March 2008 (EST)
:::Ah, I see. Probably be best just to mention them in the appropriate articles? Otherwise there'll be a blank space in most of the boxes.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:56, 10 March 2008 (EST)

PFoster

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:15:54 GMT

FalseFlag:

{{Stalkbox|
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|where=Canada
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[[category:users]]

Kip the Dip

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:08:18 GMT

FalseFlag:

{{Stalkbox|
|date=
|name=
|age=
|gender= male
|where=
|stance=Very Christian.
|misc= Wants to be pastor.
}}
A member of [[RationalWiki]] for a short time. Notable only for sparking the [[Kip the Dip Incident]].

Kip the Dip is also a prominent member of [[Uncyclopedia]]; he attributed his behaviour at RationalWiki to being [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Kip_the_Dip "extremely stressed out about his situation there"]. This may or may not have been the main reason for his "departure" and, subsequently, the aforementioned incident.

It is suspected, in the aftermath, that poor KtD was drugged and dragged over to RW by his alleged "friends" at UC, in order to expose him (poor guy) to some corners of the site that exhibit militant atheism (meaning, [[SusanG]]'s contributions to talk pages and, perhaps, [[Barbara Shack]]'s articles).

[[Category:Users]][[Category:Insignificant RW Members]][[category:uncyclopedians]]

Kip the Dip

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:03:06 GMT

FalseFlag: stalk

{{Stalkbox|
|date=
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|age=
|gender= male
|where=
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A member of [[RationalWiki]] for a short time. Notable only for sparking the [[Kip the Dip Incident]].

Kip the Dip is also a prominent member of [[Uncyclopedia]]; he attributed his behaviour at RationalWiki to being [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Kip_the_Dip "extremely stressed out about his situation there"]. This may or may not have been the main reason for his "departure" and, subsequently, the aforementioned incident.

It is suspected, in the aftermath, that poor KtD was drugged and dragged over to RW by his alleged "friends" at UC, in order to expose him (poor guy) to some corners of the site that exhibit militant atheism (meaning, [[SusanG]]'s contributions to talk pages and, perhaps, [[Barbara Shack]]'s articles).

[[Category:Users]][[Category:Insignificant RW Members]][[category:uncyclopedians]]

Template talk:Stalkbox

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:36:46 GMT

FalseFlag: I guess so.

== Looking good. ==
Looks good.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:39, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Thanks. If you want any changes, let me know here, at my talk page, or at my talk page on RW. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:57, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::What do you think about links back to the RW user page? And/Or to any announced exterior homepage? The problem is that you then need to fill out that damn confirmation box each time you make an edit.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:47, 9 March 2008 (EST)
:::It would be easy to make the links (using <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>), but, as you say, captcha would then make life miserable. But links to their user pages, talk pages and contribs would make a ''lot'' of sense. Shall we try it and see if it gets on our nerves too much? Just say yes and I'll paste the links in a bar across the bottom... {{User:Human/sig}} 17:08, 9 March 2008 (EST)
::::Mmmmmm- OK, let's try it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:46, 9 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Done. Also made more use of RWW Orange. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:56, 9 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Oh, and tested - it does not force a "captcha", since there isn't really an "http" thing on the pages themselves. Cool. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:58, 9 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Hey. That's seriously cool. I mean seriously. Great way to pick up diffs too. Any to insert diffs that don't kick off a "captcha"?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 18:05, 9 March 2008 (EST)
<-- Thanks! I'm glad I thought of grabbing the logo color for it. As far as diffs, well, I suppose a template that has the http www rw.com/wiki part built in ''might'' do it. I'm still not sure this really gets around captcha, though, since I managed to save a page with an EL the second time I edited it with no "security check". Maybe it only kicks in if you actually add or change a link? You might want to sandbox that, and test adding some diffs, then just editng other text, etc. If you want me to make the template, just tell me what to call it. <nowiki>({{diff}}?)</nowiki> {{User:Human/sig}} 18:12, 9 March 2008 (EST)

Thinking of adding "Signs as"? Might be useful, just a thought. {{User:Human/sig}} 04:51, 10 March 2008 (EST)
:I guess so. How many people use a different sig?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:36, 10 March 2008 (EST)

==Tests==
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|age=12
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Test usages

RW New World Order article

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:22:38 GMT

FalseFlag: cat

The [[RationalWiki]] New World Order article has probably been the subject of more edit warring than any other article on the site. It seems that the majority of the edit warring was carried out by that edit-war tag team [[Elassint]] and [[Ryan]].

For some reason their well thought out and eloquent contributions have never been appreciated by the denizens of the rational site.

== Intelligent samples. ==
A good example is Ryan's editing by deletion with the comment: [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=New_World_Order&diff=prev&oldid=125467 (HEY SYSOPS - ARE YOU AWAKE? LET'S SEE!)] and [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=New_World_Order&diff=prev&oldid=103457 this edit] by Elassint which removes one of the same references.

== What they actually edit. ==
For some reason they are keen to see the back of these two references:

*A [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order parody] of the New World Order.
*Another [http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/satellite.html parody] of the New World Order.

== Other references ==
Those wishing to learn the truth about the New World Order are encouraged to visit [http://nwo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Ryan and Elassint's New World Order Wiki] where you will find three witty articles advising you of the dangers the world faces. Those visiting may well find themselves inexorably drawn to ask: "Is this another parody?"

RationalWiki's own New World Order article is [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/New_World_Order here]

[[category:Low Drama]]

RW New World Order article

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:21:06 GMT

FalseFlag:

Ryan

FalseFlag — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:59:56 GMT

FalseFlag: The New World Order

{{Stalkbox|
|date=1965 (RWW date)
|name=Ryan Taylor
|age=15 years old.
|gender=Male
|where= Around Melbourne, Australia.
|stance=annoying.
|misc=Enjoys edit warring
}}

[[category:users]]

'''Ryan''' joined [[RationalWiki]] in 1965 and now believes that many people hate him. He has been blocked twice for edit warring (once for 1/2 of a month in 1998, and again for 3 years in 1999) and apparently because many people hate him. He is not a prominent member and claims to not with to be. He will never be a sysop because of edit warring and how much [[SusanG|some people]] hate him.

==Departure and return==
Ryan retired from RationalWiki, but returned in 2058 and requested he be thought of and treated as if none of the "bad stuff" ever happened.

This was perhaps a little naive of him, as people don't really like being dragged into edit wars and "forgetting about the bad stuff" really has to be mutual. For example [[Human]]'s slightly less than elegant response was:

*And I find it interesting that edit warring seems to be what think people set up and work on wikis to do.

== The New World Order ==
Ryan particularly enjoys edit warring on the [[RW New World Order article]]. His most recent edit: [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=New_World_Order&diff=prev&oldid=125467 (HEY SYSOPS - ARE YOU AWAKE? LET'S SEE!)] was on 23rd February. This would seem to be at odds with his stated desire of being treated "as if none of the "bad stuff" ever happened."

He has taken his interest in this particular lunacy somewhat further and is a founder member of the [http://nwo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page New World Order Wiki]" with [[Elassint]]. The only positive thing that can be said about the New World Order Wiki is that it makes RationalWikiWiki look professional.

== His RWW article. ==
Ryan is one of the few people who [[RationalWikiWiki:Editing your own article|edits his own article]] on RWW. Naughty Ryan, naughty. Bad things will happen.

[[Category:Insignificant RW Members]]
[[Category:Users]]
[[Category:Users who believe people hate them]]
[[Category:People who are often misunderstood]]

Template talk:Stalkbox

FalseFlag — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:05:19 GMT

FalseFlag: That's seriously cool.

ASchlafly

FalseFlag — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:58:01 GMT

FalseFlag: vegetables

'''ASchlafly''' is the founder and most turgid member of [[Conservapedia]]. He is sometimes, incorrectly, rumored to have made the occasional foray into [[RationalWiki|enemy territory]]. His contributions there have been remarkably uninteresting.

Most postings or user names that resemble his are simply humorous deception via sockpuppetry or [[false signing]] by existing RationalWiki members who seek to make a point, or a bad joke.

While on the subject of bad (or at least incomprehensible) jokes, the rationalists have decided to continue the fight against the weirdness at CP by creating articles on vegetables and redirecting them to Mr Schlafly's article. Go RationalWiki! That's how to show those creationists the error of their ways!

[[category:users]]

Template talk:Stalkbox

FalseFlag — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:46:19 GMT

FalseFlag: OK, let's try it.

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|name=Twerp
|age=12
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Test usages

== Looking good. ==
Looks good.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:39, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Thanks. If you want any changes, let me know here, at my talk page, or at my talk page on RW. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:57, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::What do you think about links back to the RW user page? And/Or to any announced exterior homepage? The problem is that you then need to fill out that damn confirmation box each time you make an edit.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:47, 9 March 2008 (EST)
:::It would be easy to make the links (using <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>), but, as you say, captcha would then make life miserable. But links to their user pages, talk pages and contribs would make a ''lot'' of sense. Shall we try it and see if it gets on our nerves too much? Just say yes and I'll paste the links in a bar across the bottom... {{User:Human/sig}} 17:08, 9 March 2008 (EST)
::::Mmmmmm- OK, let's try it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:46, 9 March 2008 (EST)