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Anon — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:07:54 GMT

Anon: /* Proposal */

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::You really have to go check the histories, FF. The MC/Susan flap started her packing up. Long before my reproof, she had reduced her user page to saying only "castle" and had withdrawn from discussion. People even made jokes about the castle thing - see "rook" and o-o-o, above the reproof. I would say we need to look at about four places - the history of her user and talk pages, the history of the Mormon post discussion, and Susan's contribs, to get a handle on the order things happened and who was "involved". {{User:Human/sig}} 15:51, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Ok, but our sequences are similar aren't they? I have MS's action before yours, though I admit that the implication of my post is that her departure was subsequent to your post. If this is in error then I retract it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::How about calling it The "Tourette's attack episode". Wonderfully snarky.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:25, 15 March 2008 (EST)

::::"90 minutes" sounded punchier :-) Honestly, my impression was that it was immediately after your reproof Susan went nutcake, so I marked it as the "start", admittedly arbitrarily. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 20:33, 15 March 2008 (EST)

May I suggest the "[[Big Juju in the Sky incident]]" for a title? And that we discuss it there? I'm going to paste some relevant data into its talk page now, I think I'm too close to the situation to be a good author though. {{User:Human/sig}} 18:21, 16 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Sure, there are 64,000,000 colors ;). So, use the logo orange for the borders and a lighter version for the header backgrounds? Should be easy... {{User:Human/sig}} 15:48, 15 March 2008 (EST)
I tried that out. Opinions? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Nice, (actually very nice) but is there any way to make it more edgy?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Thanks! Can you tell me what you mean by "edgy"? You mean high-contrast colors? Pictures of nekkid people? Blinking text in MS comic sans? Let me know and I'll try to accomplish it. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:09, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::Well, maybe it's a little bit ''too'' nice. We're a rather "in your face" sort of place and maybe we should have something more aggressive. Sadly, my knowledge of color combinations isn't at the same standard as my ideas.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::OK, I think I get what you mean. More pepper, less salt ;) I'll play around and see if something comes up. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:28, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== Proposal ==
On a whim, I registered another RationalWikiWiki with ScribbleWiki ([http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page]), another free host for wikis. I know it is way too late for you all to be willing to do so, but I just wanted to put this out there: are you all willing to move to that site? 
'''Pros:'''
*The latest version of MediaWiki, with all of the extensions that edithis.info ''doesn't'' have (i.e. functioning reference tags, math tags, extended user preferences, [http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Special:Log logs that aren't half-assed], compatible with parser functions, etc.).
*An owner who would actually be around on a daily basis.
*No Captcha.
*No typo in the url :-)
*All contributors here would retain their sysopships. <s>And I would probably have to give Human allpowerz, out of necessity :-)</s>
*No checkuser (I am not sure if it can actually be removed, but I will not allow anyone to have it.)

'''Cons:'''
*Pages moved there will lose their entire history.
*Confusion across the site during transition.
*The owner would be me :-)

Also note WikiWikiWeb rates ScribbleWiki 4 stars, but editthis.info only 2 stars[http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiFarms]. More info on ScribbleWiki, including technical details and features, [http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/ScribbleWiki here].
 Your thoughts? {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 06:39, 16 March 2008 (EST)

"And I would probably have to give Human allpowerz, out of necessity" - you're joking,of course! {{unsigned|Warty}}
:Reconsidering... stewardship is just "oversight/siteowner" and bureaucrat is, well, bureaucrat. So no, it will not be ''necessary''. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:22, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::Why bother? And I am around on a daily basis --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:34, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Apologies, then. We rarely see you edit and you are not particularly chatty, thus it appears you are never here. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 15:57, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::I would like to add that this is not about me. This is about the wiki. I would be happy to maintain the current power structure, to de-steward and de-bureaucrat myself and hand the keys to Admin. I will not pretend I wouldn't experience an ego boost by you all agreeing to move, but it would be less of an "I have total power on the new wiki" than a "you all liked my proposal" ego boost. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 16:05, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Well - like you said, it would fix the damn url. And what "history" do we have to preserve here exactly. [[User:76.10.172.118|76.10.172.118]] 16:56, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:I was referring to any past revisions of pages. Such as for [http://editthis.info/rationalwikiwki/Special:Recentchanges?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=history this page]. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 19:40, 16 March 2008 (EST)

::Overall, I think it might be a good idea. Fixing the typo would be nice, and craptcha is tiresome. And real "ref" tags would be ''really'' nice. Can the entire wiki be copied there in one fell swoop? User sub pages and all? Because if not the effort might not be worth it. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:59, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Not in one fell swoop. We would have to do it one namespace at a time (instructions [http://tictaktoe.scribblewiki.com/Backing_up_your_wiki here]). {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 21:12, 16 March 2008 (EST)

::::You can ''Export'' as many <s>Categories</s> as you like at one go '''complete with edit history''' and then re-import them with all their baggage. [[User:Anon|Anon]] 05:48, 17 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Sorry, checking with '''this''' wiki, you have to export the individual pages, but you '''can''' export the history.

== Why Bother? ==

'''"Our purpose here at [[RationalWiki]] includes the following:

#Analyzing and refuting the <nowiki>[[anti-science]]</nowiki> movement, ideas and people.
#Analyzing and refuting the full range of <nowiki>[[crank]]</nowiki> ideas.
#Explorations of <nowiki>[[authoritarianism]] and [[fundamentalism]]</nowiki>."'''

Count the number of edits over the past '''time period''' ''(you choose)'' and see how many are actually directed towards the above purpose(s). Most of the action on RW is one (or more) of:
#Human correcting grammar
#Bohdan being stupid
#Human amending layout
#Persons responding/encouraging Bohdan's stupidity
#Picking up the stupidity of CP (not hard to do)
#Human correcting spelling
#General "humour"

RW has moved far from its stated purpose and has become a social club for a few insomniacs.

It is a good place to practice Wiki syntax though and it does save the trouble of scanning CP's "Recent changes".

[[User:Anon|Anon]] 22:05, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:I dub thee 'Sourpuss'. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 22:59, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::True though, isn't it? [[User:Anon|Anon]] 23:01, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Indeed. Additionally, those who are true to the wiki's purpose (such as [http://rationalwiki/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dark_Matter_Glaucopis Dark Matter Glaucopis] and [http://rationalwiki/wiki/User:EVDebs EVDebs]) do not talk as much, and thus have less power to influence the direction of the wiki. Shame. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 23:16, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::::Although Anon forgot that every couple of weeks a new article gets written that is "on mission" (making RW more like a sloppily-run weekly magazine, where the sonsumers also get to see all the office pranks that went on while one lousy column was prepared for syndication), that's a pretty good analysis. Why isn't the content in this section an article yet? {{User:Human/sig}} 00:12, 17 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

Anon — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:48:32 GMT

Anon: /* Proposal */

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::You really have to go check the histories, FF. The MC/Susan flap started her packing up. Long before my reproof, she had reduced her user page to saying only "castle" and had withdrawn from discussion. People even made jokes about the castle thing - see "rook" and o-o-o, above the reproof. I would say we need to look at about four places - the history of her user and talk pages, the history of the Mormon post discussion, and Susan's contribs, to get a handle on the order things happened and who was "involved". {{User:Human/sig}} 15:51, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Ok, but our sequences are similar aren't they? I have MS's action before yours, though I admit that the implication of my post is that her departure was subsequent to your post. If this is in error then I retract it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::How about calling it The "Tourette's attack episode". Wonderfully snarky.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:25, 15 March 2008 (EST)

::::"90 minutes" sounded punchier :-) Honestly, my impression was that it was immediately after your reproof Susan went nutcake, so I marked it as the "start", admittedly arbitrarily. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 20:33, 15 March 2008 (EST)

May I suggest the "[[Big Juju in the Sky incident]]" for a title? And that we discuss it there? I'm going to paste some relevant data into its talk page now, I think I'm too close to the situation to be a good author though. {{User:Human/sig}} 18:21, 16 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Sure, there are 64,000,000 colors ;). So, use the logo orange for the borders and a lighter version for the header backgrounds? Should be easy... {{User:Human/sig}} 15:48, 15 March 2008 (EST)
I tried that out. Opinions? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Nice, (actually very nice) but is there any way to make it more edgy?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Thanks! Can you tell me what you mean by "edgy"? You mean high-contrast colors? Pictures of nekkid people? Blinking text in MS comic sans? Let me know and I'll try to accomplish it. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:09, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::Well, maybe it's a little bit ''too'' nice. We're a rather "in your face" sort of place and maybe we should have something more aggressive. Sadly, my knowledge of color combinations isn't at the same standard as my ideas.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::OK, I think I get what you mean. More pepper, less salt ;) I'll play around and see if something comes up. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:28, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== Proposal ==
On a whim, I registered another RationalWikiWiki with ScribbleWiki ([http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page]), another free host for wikis. I know it is way too late for you all to be willing to do so, but I just wanted to put this out there: are you all willing to move to that site? 
'''Pros:'''
*The latest version of MediaWiki, with all of the extensions that edithis.info ''doesn't'' have (i.e. functioning reference tags, math tags, extended user preferences, [http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Special:Log logs that aren't half-assed], compatible with parser functions, etc.).
*An owner who would actually be around on a daily basis.
*No Captcha.
*No typo in the url :-)
*All contributors here would retain their sysopships. <s>And I would probably have to give Human allpowerz, out of necessity :-)</s>
*No checkuser (I am not sure if it can actually be removed, but I will not allow anyone to have it.)

'''Cons:'''
*Pages moved there will lose their entire history.
*Confusion across the site during transition.
*The owner would be me :-)

Also note WikiWikiWeb rates ScribbleWiki 4 stars, but editthis.info only 2 stars[http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiFarms]. More info on ScribbleWiki, including technical details and features, [http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/ScribbleWiki here].
 Your thoughts? {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 06:39, 16 March 2008 (EST)

"And I would probably have to give Human allpowerz, out of necessity" - you're joking,of course! {{unsigned|Warty}}
:Reconsidering... stewardship is just "oversight/siteowner" and bureaucrat is, well, bureaucrat. So no, it will not be ''necessary''. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:22, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::Why bother? And I am around on a daily basis --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:34, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Apologies, then. We rarely see you edit and you are not particularly chatty, thus it appears you are never here. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 15:57, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::I would like to add that this is not about me. This is about the wiki. I would be happy to maintain the current power structure, to de-steward and de-bureaucrat myself and hand the keys to Admin. I will not pretend I wouldn't experience an ego boost by you all agreeing to move, but it would be less of an "I have total power on the new wiki" than a "you all liked my proposal" ego boost. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 16:05, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Well - like you said, it would fix the damn url. And what "history" do we have to preserve here exactly. [[User:76.10.172.118|76.10.172.118]] 16:56, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:I was referring to any past revisions of pages. Such as for [http://editthis.info/rationalwikiwki/Special:Recentchanges?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=history this page]. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 19:40, 16 March 2008 (EST)

::Overall, I think it might be a good idea. Fixing the typo would be nice, and craptcha is tiresome. And real "ref" tags would be ''really'' nice. Can the entire wiki be copied there in one fell swoop? User sub pages and all? Because if not the effort might not be worth it. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:59, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Not in one fell swoop. We would have to do it one namespace at a time (instructions [http://tictaktoe.scribblewiki.com/Backing_up_your_wiki here]). {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 21:12, 16 March 2008 (EST)

::::You can ''Export'' as many Categories as you like at one go '''complete with edit history''' and then re-import them with all their baggage. [[User:Anon|Anon]] 05:48, 17 March 2008 (EST)

== Why Bother? ==

'''"Our purpose here at [[RationalWiki]] includes the following:

#Analyzing and refuting the <nowiki>[[anti-science]]</nowiki> movement, ideas and people.
#Analyzing and refuting the full range of <nowiki>[[crank]]</nowiki> ideas.
#Explorations of <nowiki>[[authoritarianism]] and [[fundamentalism]]</nowiki>."'''

Count the number of edits over the past '''time period''' ''(you choose)'' and see how many are actually directed towards the above purpose(s). Most of the action on RW is one (or more) of:
#Human correcting grammar
#Bohdan being stupid
#Human amending layout
#Persons responding/encouraging Bohdan's stupidity
#Picking up the stupidity of CP (not hard to do)
#Human correcting spelling
#General "humour"

RW has moved far from its stated purpose and has become a social club for a few insomniacs.

It is a good place to practice Wiki syntax though and it does save the trouble of scanning CP's "Recent changes".

[[User:Anon|Anon]] 22:05, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:I dub thee 'Sourpuss'. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 22:59, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::True though, isn't it? [[User:Anon|Anon]] 23:01, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Indeed. Additionally, those who are true to the wiki's purpose (such as [http://rationalwiki/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dark_Matter_Glaucopis Dark Matter Glaucopis] and [http://rationalwiki/wiki/User:EVDebs EVDebs]) do not talk as much, and thus have less power to influence the direction of the wiki. Shame. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 23:16, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::::Although Anon forgot that every couple of weeks a new article gets written that is "on mission" (making RW more like a sloppily-run weekly magazine, where the sonsumers also get to see all the office pranks that went on while one lousy column was prepared for syndication), that's a pretty good analysis. Why isn't the content in this section an article yet? {{User:Human/sig}} 00:12, 17 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

Anon — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:01:30 GMT

Anon: /* Why Bother? */

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::You really have to go check the histories, FF. The MC/Susan flap started her packing up. Long before my reproof, she had reduced her user page to saying only "castle" and had withdrawn from discussion. People even made jokes about the castle thing - see "rook" and o-o-o, above the reproof. I would say we need to look at about four places - the history of her user and talk pages, the history of the Mormon post discussion, and Susan's contribs, to get a handle on the order things happened and who was "involved". {{User:Human/sig}} 15:51, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Ok, but our sequences are similar aren't they? I have MS's action before yours, though I admit that the implication of my post is that her departure was subsequent to your post. If this is in error then I retract it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::How about calling it The "Tourette's attack episode". Wonderfully snarky.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:25, 15 March 2008 (EST)

::::"90 minutes" sounded punchier :-) Honestly, my impression was that it was immediately after your reproof Susan went nutcake, so I marked it as the "start", admittedly arbitrarily. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 20:33, 15 March 2008 (EST)

May I suggest the "[[Big Juju in the Sky incident]]" for a title? And that we discuss it there? I'm going to paste some relevant data into its talk page now, I think I'm too close to the situation to be a good author though. {{User:Human/sig}} 18:21, 16 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Sure, there are 64,000,000 colors ;). So, use the logo orange for the borders and a lighter version for the header backgrounds? Should be easy... {{User:Human/sig}} 15:48, 15 March 2008 (EST)
I tried that out. Opinions? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Nice, (actually very nice) but is there any way to make it more edgy?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Thanks! Can you tell me what you mean by "edgy"? You mean high-contrast colors? Pictures of nekkid people? Blinking text in MS comic sans? Let me know and I'll try to accomplish it. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:09, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::Well, maybe it's a little bit ''too'' nice. We're a rather "in your face" sort of place and maybe we should have something more aggressive. Sadly, my knowledge of color combinations isn't at the same standard as my ideas.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::OK, I think I get what you mean. More pepper, less salt ;) I'll play around and see if something comes up. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:28, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== Proposal ==
On a whim, I registered another RationalWikiWiki with ScribbleWiki ([http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page]), another free host for wikis. I know it is way too late for you all to be willing to do so, but I just wanted to put this out there: are you all willing to move to that site? 
'''Pros:'''
*The latest version of MediaWiki, with all of the extensions that edithis.info ''doesn't'' have (i.e. functioning reference tags, math tags, extended user preferences, [http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Special:Log logs that aren't half-assed], compatible with parser functions, etc.).
*An owner who would actually be around on a daily basis.
*No Captcha.
*No typo in the url :-)
*All contributors here would retain their sysopships. <s>And I would probably have to give Human allpowerz, out of necessity :-)</s>
*No checkuser (I am not sure if it can actually be removed, but I will not allow anyone to have it.)

'''Cons:'''
*Pages moved there will lose their entire history.
*Confusion across the site during transition.
*The owner would be me :-)

Also note WikiWikiWeb rates ScribbleWiki 4 stars, but editthis.info only 2 stars[http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiFarms]. More info on ScribbleWiki, including technical details and features, [http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/ScribbleWiki here].
 Your thoughts? {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 06:39, 16 March 2008 (EST)

"And I would probably have to give Human allpowerz, out of necessity" - you're joking,of course! {{unsigned|Warty}}
:Reconsidering... stewardship is just "oversight/siteowner" and bureaucrat is, well, bureaucrat. So no, it will not be ''necessary''. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:22, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::Why bother? And I am around on a daily basis --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:34, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Apologies, then. We rarely see you edit and you are not particularly chatty, thus it appears you are never here. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 15:57, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::I would like to add that this is not about me. This is about the wiki. I would be happy to maintain the current power structure, to de-steward and de-bureaucrat myself and hand the keys to Admin. I will not pretend I wouldn't experience an ego boost by you all agreeing to move, but it would be less of an "I have total power on the new wiki" than a "you all liked my proposal" ego boost. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 16:05, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Well - like you said, it would fix the damn url. And what "history" do we have to preserve here exactly. [[User:76.10.172.118|76.10.172.118]] 16:56, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:I was referring to any past revisions of pages. Such as for [http://editthis.info/rationalwikiwki/Special:Recentchanges?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=history this page]. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 19:40, 16 March 2008 (EST)

::Overall, I think it might be a good idea. Fixing the typo would be nice, and craptcha is tiresome. And real "ref" tags would be ''really'' nice. Can the entire wiki be copied there in one fell swoop? User sub pages and all? Because if not the effort might not be worth it. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:59, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Not in one fell swoop. We would have to do it one namespace at a time (instructions [http://tictaktoe.scribblewiki.com/Backing_up_your_wiki here]). {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 21:12, 16 March 2008 (EST)

== Why Bother? ==

'''"Our purpose here at [[RationalWiki]] includes the following:

#Analyzing and refuting the <nowiki>[[anti-science]]</nowiki> movement, ideas and people.
#Analyzing and refuting the full range of <nowiki>[[crank]]</nowiki> ideas.
#Explorations of <nowiki>[[authoritarianism]] and [[fundamentalism]]</nowiki>."'''

Count the number of edits over the past '''time period''' ''(you choose)'' and see how many are actually directed towards the above purpose(s). Most of the action on RW is one (or more) of:
#Human correcting grammar
#Bohdan being stupid
#Human amending layout
#Persons responding/encouraging Bohdan's stupidity
#Picking up the stupidity of CP (not hard to do)
#Human correcting spelling
#General "humour"

RW has moved far from its stated purpose and has become a social club for a few insomniacs.

It is a good place to practice Wiki syntax though and it does save the trouble of scanning CP's "Recent changes".

[[User:Anon|Anon]] 22:05, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:I dub thee 'Sourpuss'. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 22:59, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::True though, isn't it? [[User:Anon|Anon]] 23:01, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

Anon — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:05:05 GMT

Anon: Why Bother?

Very nice logo, reminds me of somewhere. I'd stick around but I'm due to screw up another surgery. [[User:PALMD|PALMD]] 08:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes, there is a certain familiarity. ...--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 08:39, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::Might I suggest the [http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Liberapedia Liberapedia] RW logo?--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:LP Rational.png]]

I second that choice. Can we haz permission? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Kewl. Logo too wide for the space it has to fit in. Maybe crop off the outer brackets? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Purpose ==
I have copied and edited some material about the purpose of this Wiki from a post at RationalWiki.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 10:18, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hosting ==
Maybe the kind [[goat|folk]]s at RW would offer to host this metawiki if someone buys the domain name? [[User:Human|Human]] 16:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Am I the only one ... ==

Who realises that the label is mispelt? Or is that a joke? --[[User:82.44.64.173|82.44.64.173]]
:I think its a joke. I think. --[[User:72.232.23.238|72.232.23.238]] 21:38, 27 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't think so...--[[User:Ryan|Ryan]] 22:44, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:::It's funny whether its intentional or not.--[[User:Bob_M|Bob]][[User_Talk:Bob_M|bing up]] 04:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::::Personally, I see nothing that needs to be changed here. --[[User:AKjeldsen|AKjeldsen]] 09:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

== install pleez? ==

I don't know who runs this thing, but can they install the "choose/option" tag things somehow? [[User:Human|Human]] 19:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)

== Godamn ==

I was gonna wandalize this, but I just noticed the good guys own it. [[User:Helios|Helios]] 01:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

== Today's activities ==
I think we need a separate article and not just something on Susan's page. But things seem to be still going down and it's hard to know where its going to go. So what angle? And what name? I wouldn't want to use "Susan's departure" in the hope she will come back. We've already got one "fuck" article so I'm not sure about that either. But anything written now might be out of date by this evening anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 13:45, 14 March 2008 (EST)
:I, too, am at a loss what to name it. In her article I resorted to snark and called it "[[SusanG#Susan takes her ball and goes home|SusanG takes her ball and goes home]]". --{{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:07, 14 March 2008 (EST)
::I think this had died the death now, but the debate went in so many y directions that it's hard to define the damn thing in a punchy way. Any ideas Hans?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:42, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::By the way, it went on longer than 90 mins. It started at talk:main with Marcus Cicero's complaint about the "talk to a Mormon" according to item, which very early on had a brief pissing match between him and Susan. My/human's "lecture" came many hours later, and I think by then she was already doing some auto-dismantling. (changing her user page to say "castle" and no more, etc.) {{User:Human/sig}} 14:59, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Well yes, the whole affair started as you say, but it was a hell of a lot longer than 90 mins before all the waves stopped. However it's my impression that it wasn't initially started by a post of Susan's. She just supported the Mormon post and then MS decided to to start using unparliamentary language. Later you decided to issue a reproof to Susan which might perhaps have been better sent privately and things started to come apart.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:18, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::You really have to go check the histories, FF. The MC/Susan flap started her packing up. Long before my reproof, she had reduced her user page to saying only "castle" and had withdrawn from discussion. People even made jokes about the castle thing - see "rook" and o-o-o, above the reproof. I would say we need to look at about four places - the history of her user and talk pages, the history of the Mormon post discussion, and Susan's contribs, to get a handle on the order things happened and who was "involved". {{User:Human/sig}} 15:51, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::::Ok, but our sequences are similar aren't they? I have MS's action before yours, though I admit that the implication of my post is that her departure was subsequent to your post. If this is in error then I retract it.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::How about calling it The "Tourette's attack episode". Wonderfully snarky.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:25, 15 March 2008 (EST)

::::"90 minutes" sounded punchier :-) Honestly, my impression was that it was immediately after your reproof Susan went nutcake, so I marked it as the "start", admittedly arbitrarily. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 20:33, 15 March 2008 (EST)

May I suggest the "[[Big Juju in the Sky incident]]" for a title? And that we discuss it there? I'm going to paste some relevant data into its talk page now, I think I'm too close to the situation to be a good author though. {{User:Human/sig}} 18:21, 16 March 2008 (EST)

== New Main Page ==

I made a new main page. [[User:Ryan/Main Page]]. Hope you like --{{User:Ryan/sig}} 00:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:So you did. A few tweaks and I think it is ready for pasting in. Balance the two sides, and perhaps start WIGO RW? {{User:Human/sig}} 01:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::While I have not always (or perhaps ever) been a fan of Ryan's, I really want to say that his work on the mainpage is absolutely fantastic. Well done Ryan, and thank you for your efforts. That said, I'm almost embarrassed to make a suggestion. What about repeating the RWW signature orange color somewhere in the mainpage?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:10, 15 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, ah, ah. Why does this look like a real wiki now. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::FF, I'll see if I can do something to that effect. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:37, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::That was more orange than I intended - I only was trying to color the "borders". It didn't preview the way it looks now. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:52, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Ah, I see, it wasn't my fault. Btw, the "orange" in question is #F2A500. {{User:Human/sig}} 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Um that was my fault. I can revert if you want. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 14:54, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:It's ok, I already did, and tried out what I was doing. Do you folks think the header boxes should be orange, too? {{User:Human/sig}} 14:57, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Well I liked it (drew attention to the headers and complimented to borders). But wtv. [[User:76.10.172.106|76.10.172.106]] 15:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::First off, I'd like to mention that this is the <s>third</s> fourth edit conflict I've had this afternoon Weird on RWW. Anyway. Yes, the idea is good, but (and I'm letting my feminine side out here) are there any "pastel" oranges we can use for the header boxes?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 15:04, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::Sure, there are 64,000,000 colors ;). So, use the logo orange for the borders and a lighter version for the header backgrounds? Should be easy... {{User:Human/sig}} 15:48, 15 March 2008 (EST)
I tried that out. Opinions? {{User:Human/sig}} 15:55, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Nice, (actually very nice) but is there any way to make it more edgy?--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 16:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::Thanks! Can you tell me what you mean by "edgy"? You mean high-contrast colors? Pictures of nekkid people? Blinking text in MS comic sans? Let me know and I'll try to accomplish it. {{User:Human/sig}} 17:09, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::Well, maybe it's a little bit ''too'' nice. We're a rather "in your face" sort of place and maybe we should have something more aggressive. Sadly, my knowledge of color combinations isn't at the same standard as my ideas.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:45, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::OK, I think I get what you mean. More pepper, less salt ;) I'll play around and see if something comes up. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:28, 15 March 2008 (EST)

==Adminship==

Make me an admin! No? Ok... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:06, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:You really need to petition [[User:Admin]] about that. Initially he promoted promoted RW sysops but more recently people who have made significant contributions to the site. Perhaps you should work at the site for a while longer before making your request to him? On the other hand "Admin" lives in a cloud of secrecy and does not explain his decisions, so your appeal may prosper anyway.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 14:27, 15 March 2008 (EST)

== Proposal ==
On a whim, I registered another RationalWikiWiki with ScribbleWiki ([http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page]), another free host for wikis. I know it is way too late for you all to be willing to do so, but I just wanted to put this out there: are you all willing to move to that site? 
'''Pros:'''
*The latest version of MediaWiki, with all of the extensions that edithis.info ''doesn't'' have (i.e. functioning reference tags, math tags, extended user preferences, [http://rationalwikiwiki.scribblewiki.com/Special:Log logs that aren't half-assed], compatible with parser functions, etc.).
*An owner who would actually be around on a daily basis.
*No Captcha.
*No typo in the url :-)
*All contributors here would retain their sysopships. <s>And I would probably have to give Human allpowerz, out of necessity :-)</s>
*No checkuser (I am not sure if it can actually be removed, but I will not allow anyone to have it.)

'''Cons:'''
*Pages moved there will lose their entire history.
*Confusion across the site during transition.
*The owner would be me :-)

Also note WikiWikiWeb rates ScribbleWiki 4 stars, but editthis.info only 2 stars[http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiFarms]. More info on ScribbleWiki, including technical details and features, [http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/ScribbleWiki here].
 Your thoughts? {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 06:39, 16 March 2008 (EST)

"And I would probably have to give Human allpowerz, out of necessity" - you're joking,of course! {{unsigned|Warty}}
:Reconsidering... stewardship is just "oversight/siteowner" and bureaucrat is, well, bureaucrat. So no, it will not be ''necessary''. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 14:22, 16 March 2008 (EST)
::Why bother? And I am around on a daily basis --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:34, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Apologies, then. We rarely see you edit and you are not particularly chatty, thus it appears you are never here. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 15:57, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::I would like to add that this is not about me. This is about the wiki. I would be happy to maintain the current power structure, to de-steward and de-bureaucrat myself and hand the keys to Admin. I will not pretend I wouldn't experience an ego boost by you all agreeing to move, but it would be less of an "I have total power on the new wiki" than a "you all liked my proposal" ego boost. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 16:05, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Well - like you said, it would fix the damn url. And what "history" do we have to preserve here exactly. [[User:76.10.172.118|76.10.172.118]] 16:56, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:I was referring to any past revisions of pages. Such as for [http://editthis.info/rationalwikiwki/Special:Recentchanges?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=history this page]. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 19:40, 16 March 2008 (EST)

::Overall, I think it might be a good idea. Fixing the typo would be nice, and craptcha is tiresome. And real "ref" tags would be ''really'' nice. Can the entire wiki be copied there in one fell swoop? User sub pages and all? Because if not the effort might not be worth it. {{User:Human/sig}} 19:59, 16 March 2008 (EST)
:::Not in one fell swoop. We would have to do it one namespace at a time (instructions [http://tictaktoe.scribblewiki.com/Backing_up_your_wiki here]). {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 21:12, 16 March 2008 (EST)

== Why Bother? ==

'''"Our purpose here at [[RationalWiki]] includes the following:

#Analyzing and refuting the <nowiki>[[anti-science]]</nowiki> movement, ideas and people.
#Analyzing and refuting the full range of <nowiki>[[crank]]</nowiki> ideas.
#Explorations of <nowiki>[[authoritarianism]] and [[fundamentalism]]</nowiki>."'''

Count the number of edits over the past '''time period''' ''(you choose)'' and see how many are actually directed towards the above purpose(s). Most of the action on RW is one (or more) of:
#Human correcting grammar
#Bohdan being stupid
#Human amending layout
#Persons responding/encouraging Bohdan's stupidity
#Picking up the stupidity of CP (not hard to do)
#Human correcting spelling
#General "humour"

RW has moved far from its stated purpose and has become a social club for a few insomniacs.

It is a good place to practice Wiki syntax though and it does save the trouble of scanning CP's "Recent changes".

[[User:Anon|Anon]] 22:05, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Great Pissing Contest

Anon — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:26:12 GMT

Anon:

Talk:SusanG

Anon — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:01:50 GMT

Anon:

== Incident ==
Darn it. I overlooked MarcusCicero's role in upbraiding SusanG. As it is, the article dumps all the blame on Human. I shall amend that soon, though. {{User:Hans Johnson/sigsubst}} 10:05, 14 March 2008 (EST)
'Upbraiding her'? [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:03, 15 March 2008 (EST)

I don't think her real name is Susan she once said that it was the [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=48294 name of an old friend] [[User:BarbaraK|BarbaraK]] 17:38, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Under the circumstances might be best to leave it for now.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 17:58, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::I thought you could just remove it completely. [[User:BarbaraK|BarbaraK]] 18:00, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:::Fair comment. If we know it's obviously wrong then it shouldn't be there. Thanks.--[[User:FalseFlag]][[User_Talk:FalseFlag|Flag Me]] 18:08, 15 March 2008 (EST)
::::<s>"Susan" is her real name. The rest of the name she has used at times, "Jayne Garlick" is not.</s> (Doh, my bad, you're right) By the way, she first signed onto RW as a male name, fearing internet sexism... {{User:Human/sig}} 19:21, 15 March 2008 (EST)

"Northern '''United Kingdom'''" = Scotland! 
"Northern '''England'''" Better! [[User:Anon|Anon]] 22:43, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:Eh, she was where the floods were last year. Hell, those pics on her user page can be used to zero in on her, can't they? At some point she posted coordinates. Anyway, isn't "UK" sufficient? [[User:24.128.205.73|24.128.205.73]] 23:02, 15 March 2008 (EST)

The pics were at least 6 years out of date: she left there in 2001. It's not about where she lives - it's about the description of it (semantics?). If you kook @ a map of the UK, the northern third is Scotland - she lives a good third of the way down the rest (''England''). (the co-ordinates are '''all'' the same vintage btw.) [[User:Anon|Anon]] 23:12, 15 March 2008 (EST)

Revision as of 04:05, 16 March 2008 
24.128.205.73 (Talk | contribs) 
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Next diff [Mark as patrolled] 
Well! There's loverly! Isn't it, look you? 
[[User:Anon|Anon]] 23:49, 15 March 2008 (EST)
:That 24 bunchanumbers guy is me. I didn't notice that I had been logged out. {{User:Human/sig}} 00:42, 16 March 2008 (EST)

"Susan" is back [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=RationalWiki:RationalWikiWiki&curid=11187&diff=136762&oldid=136367] {{User:Human/sig}} 03:13, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Cos she couldn't edit without logging on (you get captchad as an IP if you put in a url. can't captcha on her pda) AND she thought the good burghers of Ratwikiland deserved to be told. [[User:Anon|Anon]] 03:53, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Oh: you missed ''this:''
# SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby0 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:20, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby1 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:20, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby19 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:20, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby21 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:20, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby20 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:19, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby22 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:19, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby23 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:19, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby24 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:18, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby25 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:18, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby7 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:17, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby8 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:17, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby9 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:17, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby10 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:16, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby11 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 years (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:15, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby12 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 days (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:14, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby13 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 5 days (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:13, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby14 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 314159 secs. (about 3.5 days) (account creation disabled) â��
# 02:13, 16 March 2008 SusanG (Talk | contribs) blocked Corby15 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 314159 secs. (about 3.5 days) (account creation disabled)

? [[User:Anon|Anon]] 05:01, 16 March 2008 (EST)

Main Page

Anon — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:34:39 GMT

Anon — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:32:14 GMT

Anon: /* Tier 5 */

The '''RationalWiki social rank''' forms the true hierarchy on [[RationalWiki]]. Due to [[Human]]'s and [[Pinto's5150|Pinto]]'s penchant for handing out sysopships like candy, sysop status is not a reliable indicator of actual power or influence on RW, as on CP. They are also too small to have a complex official bureaucracy, such as on [[Wikipedia]], and too determinedly anarchistic to want a complex ''unofficial'' bureaucracy, such as on [[Uncyclopedia]] or [[Conservapedia]].

The purpose of this list is to document the degree of power, influence, and respect commanded, not only on official and technical matters but also on a day-to-day basis. While rather arbitrary, as all of these factors must be composited into one, this list does provide a fascinating glimpse at the inner workings of RationalWiki.

The list must not be taken too seriously however, as even level six members aren't necessarily able to control the site once it goes into [[Headless Chicken Mode]].

Only those users on whom enough intelligence has been gathered are included on the list. Users are listed from highest to lowest.

==The social ladder==
===Tier 7===
This tier is reserved for goats.
*The [[Goat]]
*Other goats
*[[Heidrun|Heiðrún]]

===Tier 6===
The Gods of RationalWiki, these users command respect and influence above and beyond all the others. Note the prominence of the [[cabal]] members.
*[[Human]]
*[[Tmtoulouse]]
*[[AmesG]]

===Tier 5===
Tier 5 users command enormous amounts of respect and influence, though perhaps not as great as those of Tier 6
*[[PalMD]]
*[[AKjeldsen]]
*[[Genghis Khant]]
*[[Linus]]
*[[Pinto's5150]]

===Tier 4===
Tier 4 users are significant and respected, but not as much as tiers 5 and 6. Some are [[cabal]]ists who are not as active as they once were. Others are newer but have reached a glass ceiling.
*[[Thunderkatz]]
*[[Bob M]]
*[[Cracker]]
*[[Hojimachong]] (tied with RA)
*[[Radioactive afikomen]] (tied with Hoji)

===Tier 3===
Tier 3 is somewhere between Tier 4 (see above) and Tier 2 (see below). Many of those listed here are among the [[walking dead]].
*[[Kels]]
*[[Icewedge]]
*[[Pretzel]]

*[[Horace]]
*[[Helios]]
*[[JTL|jtl]]
*[[Colin]]

===Tier 2===
These are editors who: (a) are active and making names for themselves; (b) were active but are now fading; or (c) are active, but because of their ambivalent attitude towards the site have difficulty progressing further.
*[[Lurker]]
*[[Gulik]]
*[[Barbara Shack]]

===Tier 1===
Not quite on the bottom, these users are either so new they haven't had time to climb up the ladder or just aren't as interested in the site. Tier 1 is also default level for new editors.
*[[Barikada]]
*[[Electrified mocha chinchilla]]
*[[Kip the Dip]]
*[[Ryan]]

===Tier 0===
The bottomdwellers of RW, these users are disrespected and disregarded, and often openly persecuted.
*[[HeartOfGold]]
*[[Elassint]]
*[[Ungtss]]
*[[Jazzman831]]
*[[TK]] / E.Wig / NightTrain / Etc.
*[[Bohdan]] (currently known as TmtamesP).
*[[Newton]]

==See also==
*[[List of active users]]

SusanG

Anon — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:18:59 GMT

Anon:

{{Stalkbox|
|date= 7-22-07[[SusanG#Notes and references|[1]]]
|name= n/a
|age= 63[[SusanG#Notes and references|[2]]]
|gender= female
|where= northern United Kingdom.
|stance= antitheist
|misc= feminist (lesbian); widow
}}
'''SusanG''' is [[RationalWiki]] is one of the hardline antitheists on [[RationalWiki]] (while one of several, along with [[Genghis Khant]] and [[Bob M]], no other is as infamous for their abrasive and often belittling way of expressing it). She is also respected and highly valued for her construction of much of the 'Help' pages and the 'navbox' systems. She was sysoped on Sept. 1, 2007 by [[Human]].[[SusanG#Notes and references|[3]]] Seems to share a certain level of comradery with [[Genghis Khant]][[SusanG#Notes and references|[4]]]

She is stern but generally approachable. She is also quite tolerant of [[AmesG]]'s and Human's attempts to hit on her. Occasionally, however, she reveals a more hardline, intolerant side of herself, particularly when it comes to religion. In this respect, she often butts heads with resident theist [[AKjeldsen]].

SusanG, unfortunately, reacts very strongly when others disregard her.

== Kip the Dip Incident ==
<blockquote>''See main article: [[Kip the Dip Incident]]''</blockquote>
In the [[Kip the Dip Incident]], [[AKjeldsen]] overreacted to a mildly snarky comment made by SusanG on new user [[Kip the Dip]]'s page, and blocked her for 9 hours.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[5]]] Furious, SusanG unblocked herself and announced her permanent departure from RationalWiki. Fortunately, she forgave AKjeldsen and decided to remain at the wiki.

== Susan takes her ball and goes home ==
Most recently, after making abrasive and belittling comments ([http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=135490], [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=135507]) about the religious on the main talk page in a brief verbal tussle with Marcus Cicero, Human responded to her comments there[[SusanG#Notes and references|[6]]] and then went to lecture her on her talk page.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[6]]] He then, in a moment of profoundly bad timing, logged off for the night, leaving the wiki to fend for itself against SusanG's wrath.

SusanG asked to be desysoped[[SusanG#Notes and references|[7]]] and then promptly banned herself for 5 years.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[5]]] Blocked and planning on no longer being able to unblock herself, she proceeded to remove references to herself across RationalWiki as an IP.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[8]]]. After blanking her own ''Essay:Credo'', Genghis Khant (clearly running on autopilot and only seeing an IP blank an essay) banned her, then unblocked her once he realized it was Susan.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[9]]] For the short time her first IP's ban was in effect, Susan returned as another IP and continued purging her presence from the wiki.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[10]]] Genghis Khant then attempts to calm SusanG down.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[11]]] Susan unblocked herself only to delete the essay she previously blanked[[SusanG#Notes and references|[12]]] and change her userpage to inform others of her permanent departure from RationalWiki.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[13]]]

Despite the seeming frenzy described in the above paragraph, this entire incident was very abrupt, coming out of nowhere, very low key, involving only SusanG, Marcus Cicero, Human, Genghis Khant (and, if you really want to stretch things, [[Radioactive afikomen]], who was seemingly the only other user to notice that something was going on[[SusanG#Notes and references|[14]]]), and fast, lasting less than 90 minutes.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[15]]]

== Absence ==
It is not known whether SusanG has really gone for good ''(she has)''. If she is, how will RationalWiki handle the abrupt loss of one of their most established editors ''(she'll be forgotten in about 2 days)''? Stand by for updates on this fascinating event by RationalWikiWiki!

== Notes and references ==
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=User%3ASusanG User creation log] for SusanG, but see [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:RojerB][http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=RojerB&page=]
#Age [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=134335&oldid=133427 mentioned] in passing.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ASusanG User rights log] for SusanG.
#SusanG and Genghis Khant are both among the hardcore atheists on RW, and they have similar backgrounds (both are UKers, dicorcees, and middle aged). Witness, Genghis Khant is often the first to come to SusanG's aid when she has been unfairly persecuted[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=135780].
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ASusanG Block log] for SusanG.
#Human [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=135522&oldid=135520 responds] to SusanG's comments on the Main page talk, and [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&curid=4315&diff=135768&oldid=135671 lectures] her on her talk page.
#SusanG's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=135768 response] to Human's lecture.
#SusanG, as an IP address, [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.171.129.79 removes] references to herself on RationalWiki.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3A217.171.129.79+ Block log] for Susan's first IP address.
#SusanG's second IP address' [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.171.129.68 contributions].
#Genghis Khant [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=prev&oldid=135801 attempts to calm] SusanG down.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Essay%3ACredo Deletion log] for Essay:Credo.
#SusanG [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=135807&oldid=135663 announces] her permanent departure from RationalWiki.
#[[RA]] [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Human&curid=15&diff=135793&oldid=135765 queries] Human about Susan. Also reverts her blank of her own essay: ''(Undo revision 135788 by 217.171.129.79 You have the right to leave, Susan. But you do not have the right to take others' memories of you.)''
#1 hour and 26 minutes between Human's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&curid=4315&diff=135768&oldid=135671 instigating lecture] and SusanG's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=135807&oldid=135663 finale]

== See also ==
*[[Petition for the return of SusanG]]

[[category:Users]][[category:Significant RationalWikians]]
[[category:RationalWiki sysops]][[category:Female RationalWikians]]

SusanG

Anon — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:43:45 GMT

Anon:

{{Stalkbox|
|date= 7-22-07[[SusanG#Notes and references|[1]]]
|name= n/a
|age= 63[[SusanG#Notes and references|[2]]]
|gender= female
|where= northern United Kingdom.
|stance= antitheist
|misc= feminist (lesbian); widow
}}
'''SusanG''' is [[RationalWiki]] is one of the hardline antitheists on [[RationalWiki]] (while one of several, along with [[Genghis Khant]] and [[Bob M]], no other is as infamous for their abrasive and often belittling way of expressing it). She is also respected and highly valued for her construction of much of the 'Help' pages and the 'navbox' systems. She was sysoped on Sept. 1, 2007 by [[Human]].[[SusanG#Notes and references|[3]]] Seems to share a certain level of comradery with [[Genghis Khant]][[SusanG#Notes and references|[4]]]

She is stern but generally approachable. She is also quite tolerant of [[AmesG]]'s and Human's attempts to hit on her. Occasionally, however, she reveals a more hardline, intolerant side of herself, particularly when it comes to religion. In this respect, she often butts heads with resident theist [[AKjeldsen]].

SusanG, unfortunately, reacts very strongly when others disregard her.

== Kip the Dip Incident ==
<blockquote>''See main article: [[Kip the Dip Incident]]''</blockquote>
In the [[Kip the Dip Incident]], [[AKjeldsen]] overreacted to a mildly snarky comment made by SusanG on new user [[Kip the Dip]]'s page, and blocked her for 9 hours.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[5]]] Furious, SusanG unblocked herself and announced her permanent departure from RationalWiki. Fortunately, she forgave AKjeldsen and decided to remain at the wiki.

== Susan takes her ball and goes home ==
Most recently, after making abrasive and belittling comments ([http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=135490], [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=135507]) about the religious on the main talk page in a brief verbal tussle with Marcus Cicero, Human responded to her comments there[[SusanG#Notes and references|[6]]] and then went to lecture her on her talk page.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[6]]] He then, in a moment of profoundly bad timing, logged off for the night, leaving the wiki to fend for itself against SusanG's wrath.

SusanG asked to be desysoped[[SusanG#Notes and references|[7]]] and then promptly banned herself for 5 years.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[5]]] Blocked and planning on no longer being able to unblock herself, she proceeded to remove references to herself across RationalWiki as an IP.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[8]]]. After blanking her own ''Essay:Credo'', Genghis Khant (clearly running on autopilot and only seeing an IP blank an essay) banned her, then unblocked her once he realized it was Susan.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[9]]] For the short time her first IP's ban was in effect, Susan returned as another IP and continued purging her presence from the wiki.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[10]]] Genghis Khant then attempts to calm SusanG down.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[11]]] Susan unblocked herself only to delete the essay she previously blanked[[SusanG#Notes and references|[12]]] and change her userpage to inform others of her permanent departure from RationalWiki.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[13]]]

Despite the seeming frenzy described in the above paragraph, this entire incident was very abrupt, coming out of nowhere, very low key, involving only SusanG, Marcus Cicero, Human, Genghis Khant (and, if you really want to stretch things, [[Radioactive afikomen]], who was seemingly the only other user to notice that something was going on[[SusanG#Notes and references|[14]]]), and fast, lasting less than 90 minutes.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[15]]]

== Absence ==
It is not known whether SusanG has really gone for good ''(she has)''. If she is, how will RationalWiki handle the abrupt loss of one of their most established editors ''(she'll be forgotten in about 2 days)''? Stand by for updates on this fascinating event by RationalWikiWiki!

== Notes and references ==
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=User%3ASusanG User creation log] for SusanG.
#Age [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=134335&oldid=133427 mentioned] in passing.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ASusanG User rights log] for SusanG.
#SusanG and Genghis Khant are both among the hardcore atheists on RW, and they have similar backgrounds (both are UKers, dicorcees, and middle aged). Witness, Genghis Khant is often the first to come to SusanG's aid when she has been unfairly persecuted[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=135780].
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ASusanG Block log] for SusanG.
#Human [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=135522&oldid=135520 responds] to SusanG's comments on the Main page talk, and [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&curid=4315&diff=135768&oldid=135671 lectures] her on her talk page.
#SusanG's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=135768 response] to Human's lecture.
#SusanG, as an IP address, [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.171.129.79 removes] references to herself on RationalWiki.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3A217.171.129.79+ Block log] for Susan's first IP address.
#SusanG's second IP address' [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.171.129.68 contributions].
#Genghis Khant [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=prev&oldid=135801 attempts to calm] SusanG down.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Essay%3ACredo Deletion log] for Essay:Credo.
#SusanG [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=135807&oldid=135663 announces] her permanent departure from RationalWiki.
#[[RA]] [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Human&curid=15&diff=135793&oldid=135765 queries] Human about Susan. Also reverts her blank of her own essay: ''(Undo revision 135788 by 217.171.129.79 You have the right to leave, Susan. But you do not have the right to take others' memories of you.)''
#1 hour and 26 minutes between Human's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&curid=4315&diff=135768&oldid=135671 instigating lecture] and SusanG's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=135807&oldid=135663 finale]

== See also ==
*[[Petition for the return of SusanG]]

[[category:Users]][[category:Significant RationalWikians]]
[[category:RationalWiki sysops]][[category:Female RationalWikians]]

SusanG

Anon — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:42:22 GMT

Anon:

{{Stalkbox|
|date= 7-22-07[[SusanG#Notes and references|[1]]]
|name= n/a
|age= 63[[SusanG#Notes and references|[2]]]
|gender= female
|where= northern United Kingdom.
|stance= antitheist
|misc= feminist; widow
}}
'''SusanG''' is [[RationalWiki]] is one of the hardline antitheists on [[RationalWiki]] (while one of several, along with [[Genghis Khant]] and [[Bob M]], no other is as infamous for their abrasive and often belittling way of expressing it). She is also respected and highly valued for her construction of much of the 'Help' pages and the 'navbox' systems. She was sysoped on Sept. 1, 2007 by [[Human]].[[SusanG#Notes and references|[3]]] Seems to share a certain level of comradery with [[Genghis Khant]][[SusanG#Notes and references|[4]]]

She is stern but generally approachable. She is also quite tolerant of [[AmesG]]'s and Human's attempts to hit on her. Occasionally, however, she reveals a more hardline, intolerant side of herself, particularly when it comes to religion. In this respect, she often butts heads with resident theist [[AKjeldsen]].

SusanG, unfortunately, reacts very strongly when others disregard her.

== Kip the Dip Incident ==
<blockquote>''See main article: [[Kip the Dip Incident]]''</blockquote>
In the [[Kip the Dip Incident]], [[AKjeldsen]] overreacted to a mildly snarky comment made by SusanG on new user [[Kip the Dip]]'s page, and blocked her for 9 hours.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[5]]] Furious, SusanG unblocked herself and announced her permanent departure from RationalWiki. Fortunately, she forgave AKjeldsen and decided to remain at the wiki.

== Susan takes her ball and goes home ==
Most recently, after making abrasive and belittling comments ([http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=135490], [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=135507]) about the religious on the main talk page in a brief verbal tussle with Marcus Cicero, Human responded to her comments there[[SusanG#Notes and references|[6]]] and then went to lecture her on her talk page.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[6]]] He then, in a moment of profoundly bad timing, logged off for the night, leaving the wiki to fend for itself against SusanG's wrath.

SusanG asked to be desysoped[[SusanG#Notes and references|[7]]] and then promptly banned herself for 5 years.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[5]]] Blocked and planning on no longer being able to unblock herself, she proceeded to remove references to herself across RationalWiki as an IP.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[8]]]. After blanking her own ''Essay:Credo'', Genghis Khant (clearly running on autopilot and only seeing an IP blank an essay) banned her, then unblocked her once he realized it was Susan.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[9]]] For the short time her first IP's ban was in effect, Susan returned as another IP and continued purging her presence from the wiki.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[10]]] Genghis Khant then attempts to calm SusanG down.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[11]]] Susan unblocked herself only to delete the essay she previously blanked[[SusanG#Notes and references|[12]]] and change her userpage to inform others of her permanent departure from RationalWiki.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[13]]]

Despite the seeming frenzy described in the above paragraph, this entire incident was very abrupt, coming out of nowhere, very low key, involving only SusanG, Marcus Cicero, Human, Genghis Khant (and, if you really want to stretch things, [[Radioactive afikomen]], who was seemingly the only other user to notice that something was going on[[SusanG#Notes and references|[14]]]), and fast, lasting less than 90 minutes.[[SusanG#Notes and references|[15]]]

== Absence ==
It is not known whether SusanG has really gone for good ''(she has)''. If she is, how will RationalWiki handle the abrupt loss of one of their most established editors ''(she'll be forgotten in about 2 days)''? Stand by for updates on this fascinating event by RationalWikiWiki!

== Notes and references ==
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=User%3ASusanG User creation log] for SusanG.
#Age [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=134335&oldid=133427 mentioned] in passing.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ASusanG User rights log] for SusanG.
#SusanG and Genghis Khant are both among the hardcore atheists on RW, and they have similar backgrounds (both are UKers, dicorcees, and middle aged). Witness, Genghis Khant is often the first to come to SusanG's aid when she has been unfairly persecuted[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=135780].
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ASusanG Block log] for SusanG.
#Human [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=135522&oldid=135520 responds] to SusanG's comments on the Main page talk, and [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&curid=4315&diff=135768&oldid=135671 lectures] her on her talk page.
#SusanG's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=next&oldid=135768 response] to Human's lecture.
#SusanG, as an IP address, [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.171.129.79 removes] references to herself on RationalWiki.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3A217.171.129.79+ Block log] for Susan's first IP address.
#SusanG's second IP address' [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.171.129.68 contributions].
#Genghis Khant [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&diff=prev&oldid=135801 attempts to calm] SusanG down.
#[http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Essay%3ACredo Deletion log] for Essay:Credo.
#SusanG [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=135807&oldid=135663 announces] her permanent departure from RationalWiki.
#[[RA]] [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Human&curid=15&diff=135793&oldid=135765 queries] Human about Susan. Also reverts her blank of her own essay: ''(Undo revision 135788 by 217.171.129.79 You have the right to leave, Susan. But you do not have the right to take others' memories of you.)''
#1 hour and 26 minutes between Human's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SusanG&curid=4315&diff=135768&oldid=135671 instigating lecture] and SusanG's [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:SusanG&curid=13891&diff=135807&oldid=135663 finale]

== See also ==
*[[Petition for the return of SusanG]]

[[category:Users]][[category:Significant RationalWikians]]
[[category:RationalWiki sysops]][[category:Female RationalWikians]]

User:Anon

Anon — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:13:03 GMT

Anon:

User talk:Anon

Anon — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:12:30 GMT

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User:Anon

Anon — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:21:47 GMT

Anon:

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No! I can't be bothered with it!

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User:Anon

Anon — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:03:52 GMT

Anon: Why?

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<td width = "20%"><center>Wants Cheese! (stilton)</center></td>
<td width = "80%"> Note:
*About 70% of the time this (SusanG) is me.
*About 25% of the time this (SusanG) is us.
*About 5% of the time this (SusanG) is her.

''Will you still need me?'' 
''Will you still feed me?'' 
''When '''(in {{ #expr: ( {{#time:z|11 may 2008}}- {{ #time: z }} ) }} days)''' I'm 64?''

(What? No parser functions extension!)

We've started uploading selected photos to [http://flickr.com/photos/susan_g/ Flickr] (1762 uploaded so far)
& just got http://www.piclens.com/ off BBC ''click'' looks good
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There's a woeful Ubx shortage here

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Anon — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:51:05 GMT

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