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* I agree with Sim - "Consensus" is kind of a wishy-washy word. "Majority of opinion" is the Dictionary.com primary meaning, but it also lists "general agreement or concord; harmony" as a secondary definition. Along with their house definition, Dictionary.com lists definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary and from WordNet.com, the former: "An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole," and the latter: "agreement in the judgment or opinion reached by a group as a whole." All of these definitions (other than the Dictionary.com primary definition) seem to indicate a kind of inexact unanimity rather than a simple majority. To my way of thinking, "consensus" is kind of "this is what the group agreed on," not an exact measure like plurality, majority, supermajority, or unanimity. I would prefer a more exact wording in the rule. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 16:43, 15 November 2006 (EST) | * I agree with Sim - "Consensus" is kind of a wishy-washy word. "Majority of opinion" is the Dictionary.com primary meaning, but it also lists "general agreement or concord; harmony" as a secondary definition. Along with their house definition, Dictionary.com lists definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary and from WordNet.com, the former: "An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole," and the latter: "agreement in the judgment or opinion reached by a group as a whole." All of these definitions (other than the Dictionary.com primary definition) seem to indicate a kind of inexact unanimity rather than a simple majority. To my way of thinking, "consensus" is kind of "this is what the group agreed on," not an exact measure like plurality, majority, supermajority, or unanimity. I would prefer a more exact wording in the rule. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 16:43, 15 November 2006 (EST) | ||
:* [[306]] never uses the word "consensus" nor does it imply consensus is necessary to declare a proposal invalid. It basically states that an accusation of invalidity has to be voted on, with the same voting rules as rule change proposals. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 16:48, 15 November 2006 (EST) | :* [[306]] never uses the word "consensus" nor does it imply consensus is necessary to declare a proposal invalid. It basically states that an accusation of invalidity has to be voted on, with the same voting rules as rule change proposals. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 16:48, 15 November 2006 (EST) | ||
| + | *Can't we just change "concensus" to "overwhelming majority"? --[[User:Shivan|Shivan]] 17:27, 16 November 2006 (EST) | ||
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Proposer's summary and declarations
This is to fix the use of the word turn and the fact that the Judge has been abolished.
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- I am uncomfortable with the term consensus since it is not officially defined in the ruleset. Would it be equivalent to unaminous consent as defined in rule 310? I am concerned that some yahoo might try to dissent in order to deadlock the game. Perhaps a supermajority would suffice, or an even more restrictive 9/10ths overwhelming majority. I might just be paranoid though. --Simulacrum 03:27, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- {con‧sen‧sus –noun, plural -sus‧es. 1. majority of opinion: The consensus of the group was that they should meet twice a month. 2. general agreement or concord; harmony.} I choose this wording since in its current form rule 306 part two says, with more words, you need a concensus to deem a proposed rule invalid. --Dayd 10:16, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- I agree with Sim - "Consensus" is kind of a wishy-washy word. "Majority of opinion" is the Dictionary.com primary meaning, but it also lists "general agreement or concord; harmony" as a secondary definition. Along with their house definition, Dictionary.com lists definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary and from WordNet.com, the former: "An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole," and the latter: "agreement in the judgment or opinion reached by a group as a whole." All of these definitions (other than the Dictionary.com primary definition) seem to indicate a kind of inexact unanimity rather than a simple majority. To my way of thinking, "consensus" is kind of "this is what the group agreed on," not an exact measure like plurality, majority, supermajority, or unanimity. I would prefer a more exact wording in the rule. Applejuicefool 16:43, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- 306 never uses the word "consensus" nor does it imply consensus is necessary to declare a proposal invalid. It basically states that an accusation of invalidity has to be voted on, with the same voting rules as rule change proposals. Applejuicefool 16:48, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- Can't we just change "concensus" to "overwhelming majority"? --Shivan 17:27, 16 November 2006 (EST)
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