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Tucana25 at 22:14, 15 December 2006

2006-12-15T22:14:25Z

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		+	I declare this proposal failed. --[[User:Tucana25\|Tucana25]] 17:14, 15 December 2006 (EST)
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Applejuicefool: /* Against */

2006-12-14T15:08:27Z

Against

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	# --[[User:TomFoolery\|TomFoolery]] 09:50, 13 December 2006 (EST)		# --[[User:TomFoolery\|TomFoolery]] 09:50, 13 December 2006 (EST)
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Simulacrum: /* For */ fixed format, DID NOT vote

2006-12-14T10:21:38Z

For: fixed format, DID NOT vote

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	# --[[User:Tucana25\|Tucana25]] 23:13, 12 December 2006 (EST)		# --[[User:Tucana25\|Tucana25]] 23:13, 12 December 2006 (EST)
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TomFoolery: /* Against */

2006-12-13T14:50:26Z

Against

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		+	# --[[User:TomFoolery\|TomFoolery]] 09:50, 13 December 2006 (EST)
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Tucana25: /* For */ I KNOW i already did this when I called for a vote, so I sure am confused...

2006-12-13T04:13:52Z

For: I KNOW i already did this when I called for a vote, so I sure am confused...

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		+	# --[[User:Tucana25\|Tucana25]] 23:13, 12 December 2006 (EST)

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Chuck: abstain

2006-12-12T19:42:09Z

abstain

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		+	Debate has ended. The proposal must now be voted on.
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		+	# [[User:Chuck\|chuck]] 14:42, 12 December 2006 (EST)
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Chuck at 17:36, 11 December 2006

2006-12-11T17:36:15Z

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	Another consideration: I realize we're a ways out from hitting the [[800]]'s in our proposals, but assuming this game lasts for years, we'll get there eventually. What happens when we do? We won't have those numbers to delve into. Better if we started off with something like S101 (for State) or some such. [[User:Applejuicefool\|Applejuicefool]] 09:25, 8 December 2006 (EST)		Another consideration: I realize we're a ways out from hitting the [[800]]'s in our proposals, but assuming this game lasts for years, we'll get there eventually. What happens when we do? We won't have those numbers to delve into. Better if we started off with something like S101 (for State) or some such. [[User:Applejuicefool\|Applejuicefool]] 09:25, 8 December 2006 (EST)
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		+	I like the idea of separate polities (a quasi-independent political entity) and using virtual "territory" to realize the polities, but I think this proposal jumps the gun by introducing a lot of mechanisms like singular territory proposals with a minority vote -- not fixed by forbidding the sponsor to vote on it BTW. For a similar idea, see [[User:Chuck/Cantons Draft]]. Like the citizens rule, it does nothing except assert that something exists, but creates a backdrop for other rules to hang on.
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Dayd: wasn't offically open

2006-12-11T14:31:26Z

wasn't offically open

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Dayd: /* Against */

2006-12-11T14:28:55Z

Against

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		+	# --[[User:Dayd\|Dayd]] 09:28, 11 December 2006 (EST)
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Applejuicefool: /* Debate */

2006-12-08T14:25:01Z

Debate

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	I'd endorse it, but you need to rework it into at least a quasi-federal system. Kinda like devolved government in Britain. I'm betting that not many know much about that though. So I'll just say like State government in the US, but that in our case the "federal" government of "nomicapolis" would be able to abolish it if it wanted. Also I only want to see local government affect local issues. Perhaps something like "each Player many declare him/herself a member of a declared terriority under the rule of nomicapolis. At least 2 players must be a member of a declared terriority for it to be recognized by nomicapolis. Rules of a terriority do not effect nomicapolis, and only effect the terriority. Rule of nomicapolis effect the terriority." What I don't want to see is an extra set of rules that everyone has to abide by that someone else gets to claim is his/her's. That and I don't want to see one territory making rules that say if you vote for my proposal you win the game the end it's over hahaha. i.e. abuse. I was thinking about making 3-5 territories and everyone picks one to belong to and then we continue from there. Divide up the population and put it into the "states" maybe even maybe not and then start making state rules. This will also allow for a more creative play to exist in the "states" and at the same time allow for a more structured game at the "national" level. --[[User:Dayd\|Dayd]] 21:04, 7 December 2006 (EST)		I'd endorse it, but you need to rework it into at least a quasi-federal system. Kinda like devolved government in Britain. I'm betting that not many know much about that though. So I'll just say like State government in the US, but that in our case the "federal" government of "nomicapolis" would be able to abolish it if it wanted. Also I only want to see local government affect local issues. Perhaps something like "each Player many declare him/herself a member of a declared terriority under the rule of nomicapolis. At least 2 players must be a member of a declared terriority for it to be recognized by nomicapolis. Rules of a terriority do not effect nomicapolis, and only effect the terriority. Rule of nomicapolis effect the terriority." What I don't want to see is an extra set of rules that everyone has to abide by that someone else gets to claim is his/her's. That and I don't want to see one territory making rules that say if you vote for my proposal you win the game the end it's over hahaha. i.e. abuse. I was thinking about making 3-5 territories and everyone picks one to belong to and then we continue from there. Divide up the population and put it into the "states" maybe even maybe not and then start making state rules. This will also allow for a more creative play to exist in the "states" and at the same time allow for a more structured game at the "national" level. --[[User:Dayd\|Dayd]] 21:04, 7 December 2006 (EST)
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		+	Another consideration: I realize we're a ways out from hitting the [[800]]'s in our proposals, but assuming this game lasts for years, we'll get there eventually. What happens when we do? We won't have those numbers to delve into. Better if we started off with something like S101 (for State) or some such. [[User:Applejuicefool\|Applejuicefool]] 09:25, 8 December 2006 (EST)
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