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Jsarmi at 20:55, 24 May 2007

Jsarmi — Thu, 24 May 2007 20:55:58 GMT

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		+	==EXTRA==
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		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:02:14 PM EDT: Meet, notice the link I made to rweisbac's message. I double clicked on it before
		+	sending my message.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:03:46 PM EDT: so, Meet, the general idea is that we give you a simple environment
		+	to explore and invent math questions that you then try to answer.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:03:56 PM EDT: We don't grade you or judge you.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:04:18 PM EDT: WE just want to see if groups can have fun online doing math with our support.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:04:30 PM EDT: Rweisbac, do you want to add something?
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:07:37 PM EDT: oh ic
		+	Jason joins the room 5/12/05 8:07:56 PM EDT
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:08:00 PM EDT: You might have to invent new definitions of math objects you are used to.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:08:16 PM EDT: Let me share some of the questions that other groups came up with.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:08:48 PM EDT: do you see the list I just posted?
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:08:59 PM EDT: uhh no
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:09:03 PM EDT: no
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:09:08 PM EDT: it says the double click to edit thingy
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:09:11 PM EDT: on the board.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:09:18 PM EDT: Maybe it hasn't come through yet?
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:09:27 PM EDT: probably
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:09:35 PM EDT: most likley
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:09:41 PM EDT: I'll post them in here as messages also. Hang on.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:09:49 PM EDT: Questions:
		+	1. What is the shortest path along the grid between the two points?
		+	2. How many possible routes are there from point A to point B?
		+	3. What is the maximum distance from point A to B if you can only travel on each POINT once?
		+	4. How many ways are there to get from A to B in rectangle ABCD?
		+	5. Make a right triangle with AB as the hypotenuse. What is the area of the circumscribed circle?
		+	6. Can you go off the edge and come back somewhere else?
		+
		+	Questions that your work made the moderators think of:
		+	7. What is the shortest path along the grid between any two points A(x1, y1), B(x2, y2)?
		+	8. How many shortest paths are there from A to B and how does this vary with changes in the positioning of A relative to B?
		+	9. Suppose the right and left edges of the grid are connected. How does that change the distances between points?
		+
		+	p M
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:10:14 PM EDT: okay
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:10:18 PM EDT: so we answer them?
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:10:26 PM EDT: These are out questions
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:10:32 PM EDT: I mean our
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:10:36 PM EDT: you can or you can invent new questions
		+	p M M M M
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:10:42 PM EDT: and answer those
		+	p M M M M M
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:10:56 PM EDT: Lets draw a cartesian plane
		+
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:11:52 PM EDT: So what do we do
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:12:14 PM EDT: invent new questions or try to answer questions you already have.
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:12:28 PM EDT: With out the points
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:12:29 PM EDT: but we dont have the points
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:12:46 PM EDT: right. you can make points if you want.
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:12:52 PM EDT: ok
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:12:56 PM EDT: woah
		+	Jason 5/12/05 8:13:01 PM EDT: as i wait for my room's participants to join, may i participate in this room for a while?
		+
		+	==Keep in mind the people of this world==
		+
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:17:55 PM EDT: Keep in mind that for the "people" of this world, they don't have the same experience you do.
		+	They think about everything in terms of the lines of the grid.
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:18:25 PM EDT: they can't draw lines except along the grid.
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:19:09 PM EDT: oops
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:19:55 PM EDT: so this is a cartesian plaine. That line is the hypotenuse of a right triangle point a
		+	is at (-4,4) and point b is at (3,-4)
		+	p M M M M (Draws staircase)
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:20:20 PM EDT: okay
		+	p M
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:20:26 PM EDT: now we hafta adjust our grid....
		+	p M M M M M M M M M (Deletes staircase)
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:21:04 PM EDT: okay so...
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:21:24 PM EDT: We can find the distance between the two points
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:21:31 PM EDT: diagonally
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:21:33 PM EDT: or on the line?
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:21:43 PM EDT: Diagiaonally
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:21:48 PM EDT: okay
		+
		+	==After calculating diagonal distance using pythagoras==
		+
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:29:03 PM EDT: we're going to make the circumscribed circle?
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:29:20 PM EDT: only if u know how to
		+	...
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:38:11 PM EDT: were stuck
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:38:39 PM EDT: wanna do a different problem?
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:42:03 PM EDT: which problem?
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:42:09 PM EDT: or we can make up one?
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:42:16 PM EDT: How about 1
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:42:21 PM EDT: sure
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:42:30 PM EDT: ok lets get to it
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:42:41 PM EDT: okay...
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:42:48 PM EDT: so...
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:42:53 PM EDT: ill put the grid under the old one
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:43:37 PM EDT: so that is a path from A to B
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:43:55 PM EDT: okay
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:44:21 PM EDT: kk so A's at the very left
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:44:25 PM EDT: and B's at the very right?
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:44:27 PM EDT: yes
		+	meet_the_fangs 5/12/05 8:44:40 PM EDT: wel, that is the shortest distance
		+	rweisbac 5/12/05 8:44:57 PM EDT: ok on to question 2
		+	moderatorS 5/12/05 8:45:03 PM EDT: rweisbac, I don't see your line.

Jsarmi at 13:09, 24 May 2007

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Jsarmi at 13:07, 24 May 2007

Jsarmi — Thu, 24 May 2007 13:07:32 GMT

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Team 1, Session 2: Notes

==Sense of Team-newcomer/oldtimers and WE==
36 rweisbac, 19:48 (12.05): Sorry I'm Richard too Welcome (*NOTICE IN S3 HOW HE WELCOMES NEWCOMER)
72 moderatorS, 20:01 (12.05): some of the others from last time may join us, but why don't I make sure Meet knows what we're doing.
76 moderatorS, 20:03 (12.05): so, Meet, the general idea is that we give you a simple environment to explore and invent math questions that you then try to answer.
77 moderatorS, 20:03 (12.05): We don't grade you or judge you.
78 moderatorS, 20:04 (12.05): WE just want to see if groups can have fun online doing math with our support.
79 moderatorS, 20:04 (12.05): Rweisbac, do you want to add something?

==Community (generators of ideas = other groups)==
97 moderatorS, 20:08 (12.05): Let me share some of the questions that other groups came up with.
110 rweisbac, 20:10 (12.05): These are out questions
111 rweisbac, 20:10 (12.05): I mean our

==Continuity: up to the team==
109 meet_the_fangs, 20:10 (12.05): so we answer them?
112 moderatorS, 20:10 (12.05): you can or you can invent new questions
119 moderatorS, 20:12 (12.05): invent new questions or try to answer questions you already have.

==Oldtimer spokesperson to decide which perspective==
156 moderatorS, 20:17 (12.05): Keep in mind that for the "people" of this world, they don't have the same experience you do. They think about everything in terms of the lines of the grid.
157 moderatorS, 20:18 (12.05): they can't draw lines except along the grid.
158 meet_the_fangs, 20:19 (12.05): oops
159 rweisbac, 20:20 (12.05): so this is a cartesian plaine. That line is the hypotenuse of a right triangle point a is at (-4,4) and point b is at (3,-4)
160 meet_the_fangs, 20:20 (12.05): okay
161 meet_the_fangs, 20:20 (12.05): now we hafta adjust our grid....
162 meet_the_fangs, 20:21 (12.05): okay so...
163 rweisbac, 20:21 (12.05): We can find the distance between the two points
164 meet_the_fangs, 20:21 (12.05): diagonally
165 meet_the_fangs, 20:21 (12.05): or on the line?
166 rweisbac, 20:21 (12.05): Diagiaonally
167 meet_the_fangs, 20:21 (12.05): okay

==Stuck, same "activity" or different==
242 rweisbac, 20:38 (12.05): were stuck
243 meet_the_fangs, 20:38 (12.05): wanna do a different problem?
244 rweisbac, 20:38 (12.05): ok
245 meet_the_fangs, 20:38 (12.05): erase everything?
246 rweisbac, 20:39 (12.05): NO
247 meet_the_fangs, 20:39 (12.05): lol okay
248 rweisbac, 20:39 (12.05): well keep it it might be useful
249 meet_the_fangs, 20:39 (12.05): i copied another grid
250 meet_the_fangs, 20:39 (12.05): where do we put it?
251 rweisbac, 20:40 (12.05): no keep it wee need the settings that we already have and it won't get in the way

==Counting vs. Formula/Pattern? I am not good at Formula/Pattern, but maybe doing counting will get us closer?==
292 meet_the_fangs, 20:50 (12.05): imma make the line AB a different color
293 rweisbac, 20:50 (12.05): It is not efficient to just sit there and count
294 meet_the_fangs, 20:50 (12.05): true
295 meet_the_fangs, 20:50 (12.05): well...
...
303 meet_the_fangs, 20:52 (12.05): i have an organized way of counting
304 meet_the_fangs, 20:52 (12.05): but that's not going ot get anywhre FAST
305 rweisbac, 20:52 (12.05): ok
306 meet_the_fangs, 20:52 (12.05): oh wait nevermind
307 meet_the_fangs, 20:52 (12.05): darn it
308 rweisbac, 20:52 (12.05): ok
309 meet_the_fangs, 20:52 (12.05): actually
310 meet_the_fangs, 20:52 (12.05): i do have anorganized way
311 meet_the_fangs, 20:52 (12.05): ignore the top half
312 rweisbac, 20:53 (12.05): great lets see it!!!
313 meet_the_fangs, 20:53 (12.05): cuz we're going to x2 our results on the bottom half
...
317 meet_the_fangs, 20:53 (12.05): then, we can have 5 more paths of the same pattern
318 rweisbac, 20:53 (12.05): ok
319 meet_the_fangs, 20:53 (12.05): etc.
320 meet_the_fangs, 20:53 (12.05): and then...
321 meet_the_fangs, 20:54 (12.05): oh
322 rweisbac, 20:54 (12.05): what
323 meet_the_fangs, 20:54 (12.05): i have an algebraic way to od this
324 meet_the_fangs, 20:54 (12.05): i just thought of it right now
325 meet_the_fangs, 20:54 (12.05): each "step"
326 rweisbac, 20:54 (12.05): YAAAAY algebra
327 meet_the_fangs, 20:54 (12.05): has a max of 3 places to travel
328 meet_the_fangs, 20:54 (12.05): this is like a permutation

==Identity -> Managing Participation==
301 meet_the_fangs, 20:51 (12.05): im not good at this stuff sorry
302 rweisbac, 20:51 (12.05): Nether am I

==Class vs. VMT spaces==
329 rweisbac, 20:55 (12.05): Were are just going over this in class

==Once a shared perspective, coordination of action (parallel or together)==
358 meet_the_fangs, 20:58 (12.05): we can both branch off together

==Projecting! Giving Up==
363 meet_the_fangs, 20:59 (12.05): oh... this is gonna get really messy
364 rweisbac, 20:59 (12.05): right
365 meet_the_fangs, 20:59 (12.05): maybe not actually
366 rweisbac, 20:59 (12.05): it is it is @: Message 363: To whole message
367 meet_the_fangs, 20:59 (12.05): :-/
368 meet_the_fangs, 20:59 (12.05): hmm..
369 meet_the_fangs, 20:59 (12.05): got any other ideas?
370 rweisbac, 21:00 (12.05): nope
371 meet_the_fangs, 21:00 (12.05): im eating dinner soon
372 meet_the_fangs, 21:00 (12.05): when does this end?