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Jsarmi: /* Sharedness */

2008-04-16T15:50:56Z

Sharedness

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-	Interesting explanation of bwang8's formula. Is it shared now? Was it just in bwang's problem space before? Was it in everbody's problem space but positioned differently? With different meanings?	+	Interesting explanation of bwang8's formula. Is it shared now?
		+	Was it just in bwang's problem space before? Was it in everbody's problem space but positioned differently?
		+	With different meanings?

	Bwang had sugested that their pyramid can be broken down into "top, middle and bottom" and that the "top and bottom are 3 by 3 squares" Then bwang draws a "broken down" version of a 3 by 3 square that looks like this on the whiteboard:		Bwang had sugested that their pyramid can be broken down into "top, middle and bottom" and that the "top and bottom are 3 by 3 squares" Then bwang draws a "broken down" version of a 3 by 3 square that looks like this on the whiteboard:

Jsarmi: /* intersubjectivity */

2008-04-16T15:49:45Z

intersubjectivity

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-	good example of how whiteboar actions and chat are mutually informative, but also how the sequential production of the conversation is used as a resource for making sense of the conversation. This is all tentative, and the group works it out. What are the lines for?	+	good example of how whiteboar actions and chat are mutually informative,
-	Instructability: There is always a content and a procedural side to everything we do: Saying "you can divide the thing into two parts" informs the others about how his subsequent actions are to be read. Those whiteboard actions inform the meaning of that posting as well.	+	but also how the sequential production of the conversation is used as a resource for making sense of the conversation.
		+	This is all tentative, and the group works it out. What are the lines for?
		+	Instructability: There is always a content and a procedural side to everything we do:
		+	Saying "you can divide the thing into two parts" informs the others about how his subsequent actions are to be read.
		+	Those whiteboard actions inform the meaning of that posting as well.

	bwang8 5/9/06 6:33:32 PM EDT: 1+2+3+........+N+N		bwang8 5/9/06 6:33:32 PM EDT: 1+2+3+........+N+N

Jsarmi: /* intersubjectivity */

2008-01-17T20:04:12Z

intersubjectivity

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	good example of how whiteboar actions and chat are mutually informative, but also how the sequential production of the conversation is used as a resource for making sense of the conversation. This is all tentative, and the group works it out. What are the lines for?		good example of how whiteboar actions and chat are mutually informative, but also how the sequential production of the conversation is used as a resource for making sense of the conversation. This is all tentative, and the group works it out. What are the lines for?
		+	Instructability: There is always a content and a procedural side to everything we do: Saying "you can divide the thing into two parts" informs the others about how his subsequent actions are to be read. Those whiteboard actions inform the meaning of that posting as well.

	bwang8 5/9/06 6:33:32 PM EDT: 1+2+3+........+N+N		bwang8 5/9/06 6:33:32 PM EDT: 1+2+3+........+N+N

Jsarmi: /* Session I */

2008-01-17T19:55:05Z

Session I

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	Aznx 5/9/06 6:33:01 PM EDT: go to view topic		Aznx 5/9/06 6:33:01 PM EDT: go to view topic
	bwang8 5/9/06 6:33:05 PM EDT: so you can see we only need to figur one out to get the total stick		bwang8 5/9/06 6:33:05 PM EDT: so you can see we only need to figur one out to get the total stick
		+
		+	===intersubjectivity===
		+	good example of how whiteboar actions and chat are mutually informative, but also how the sequential production of the conversation is used as a resource for making sense of the conversation. This is all tentative, and the group works it out. What are the lines for?

	bwang8 5/9/06 6:33:32 PM EDT: 1+2+3+........+N+N		bwang8 5/9/06 6:33:32 PM EDT: 1+2+3+........+N+N

Jsarmi: /* Session IV */

2007-12-06T19:07:26Z

Session IV

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	==Session IV==		==Session IV==
		+
		+	===Recovering their "plan"===
		+
		+	The three members had postponed the "flat sided pyramid" and two of them (Az and Qs) postponed explaining their work (or bwang's formula) on the diamond pattern. They recover the pyramid problem
		+
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:03:44 PM EDT: for this session, it says to revisit an old problem
		+	p M M
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:04:10 PM EDT: Hm.
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:04:16 PM EDT: Let's make a new problem
		+	p M
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:04:18 PM EDT: the pryamid one that we didn't finish last time
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:04:21 PM EDT: Not necessarily 3-D
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:04:26 PM EDT: Yeah
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:04:31 PM EDT: ok
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:04:32 PM EDT: let's do the pyramid one
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:04:35 PM EDT:
		+
		+	After this they start reading the feedback and later on the decision of what to do, resurfaces:
		+
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:14:38 PM EDT: let's just focus on diamond problem today
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:14:44 PM EDT: So let's really focus on the pyramid.
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:14:48 PM EDT: we almost got the solution last seesion
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:14:49 PM EDT: lol
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:14:49 PM EDT: Diamond or pyramid?
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:14:55 PM EDT: diamond
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:14:59 PM EDT: aditya?
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:15:02 PM EDT: because we worked on it longer
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:15:03 PM EDT: diamond
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:15:08 PM EDT: agreed then
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:15:11 PM EDT: ok
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:15:13 PM EDT: we have a more thorough understanding of it
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:15:18 PM EDT: yeah
		+
		+	...
		+
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:16:03 PM EDT: I'd say, we work on the pyramid problem, solve it thoroughly, and then state the solution as they suggested in the feedback. Then, if we have enough time, which probably will ,we'll sytart on the pyramid problem.
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:16:21 PM EDT: u said two pyramid problems?
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:16:27 PM EDT: read ur thing again
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:16:27 PM EDT: OOps
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:16:34 PM EDT: I meant in the first part
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:16:37 PM EDT: the diamond problem
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:16:41 PM EDT: not the pyramid
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:16:41 PM EDT: lol
		+
		+	===As usual Routine===
		+
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:12:00 PM EDT: Let's first discuss about the feedback.
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:12:06 PM EDT: ok
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:12:06 PM EDT: As usual, what do you guys think?
		+
		+	===So where were we?===
		+
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:15:57 PM EDT: so where were we?
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:16:00 PM EDT: so right now we know that we must calculate the number of squares on each level by making a big square and minus the 4 extra corners
		+
		+	Notice how they orient to process/steps:
		+
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:16:57 PM EDT: we pretty much solved it didnt we?
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:17:09 PM EDT: yeah
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:17:11 PM EDT: Well 50% of it I should say.
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:17:15 PM EDT: lets just recap the process
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:17:27 PM EDT: from the point of view who had never seen this problem
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:17:32 PM EDT: we know how to calculate the big square in a level
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:17:44 PM EDT: ok hold on
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:17:50 PM EDT: as in this
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:17:56 PM EDT: whole thing
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:17:57 PM EDT: our objective is to find the amount of squares and sticks in each level righrt?
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:18:03 PM EDT: yeo
		+
		+	===We had already figured that out/We can use the equation from Session 1===
		+
		+	Pointing to a textbox created in Session 1!!!
		+
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:20:48 PM EDT: what is the pattern
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:20:56 PM EDT: Triagnular numbers.
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:20:58 PM EDT: triangular numbers!
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:21:00 PM EDT: yep
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:21:00 PM EDT: yep
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:21:03 PM EDT: We had already figured that out.
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:21:10 PM EDT: we can use the equation from session 1
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:21:11 PM EDT: yes
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:21:20 PM EDT: Yup.
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:21:36 PM EDT: n(n+1)/2
		+	p M M M
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:21:56 PM EDT: 4*n(n+1)/2= the four corners
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:21:57 PM EDT: this right? ['''Points to a textbox from Session 1 with formula''']
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:22:03 PM EDT: yes
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:22:06 PM EDT: Yeah
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:22:28 PM EDT: (2n-1)^2-2n(n-1)
		+	bwang8 5/18/06 7:22:48 PM EDT: this is the equation for each level
		+
		+	'''Is it here that bwang8 does his subtle transformation of "ns" and changes the equations so that the n in thefour corners from (7:21:56 PM EDT: 4*n(n+1)/2) which is 2n(n+1) matches that in the central square: 2n(n-1)? And integrates it into the complete formula (7:22:28 PM EDT: (2n-1)^2-2n(n-1))
		+
		+	The final textbox and the Wiki report end up with different formulas:
		+	big square: (2n-1)^2
		+	4 corners: n(n+1)/2*4
		+
		+	(2n-1)^2-n(n+1)/2*4
		+
		+	Wiki: (2n+1)^2-n(n+1)/2*4
		+
		+	===But that is not what it ENDS UP TO BE===
		+
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:25:43 PM EDT: But that's not what it ends up to be.
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:25:56 PM EDT: If you double check with our already-given formula
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:26:00 PM EDT: why?
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:26:07 PM EDT: It's this
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:26:12 PM EDT: oh yeah
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:26:14 PM EDT: it doesn't work
		+	p M
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:26:16 PM EDT: The first one [''Points to Team C's formula for sticks which is on the whiteboard'']
		+
		+	They clarify which formula is for squares and Aznx accepts that he was confused
		+
		+	===What is the actual solution===
		+
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:28:22 PM EDT: So is that all?
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:28:37 PM EDT: what is the actual solution then? those equations?
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:28:43 PM EDT: Yeah.
		+	p M
		+	Quicksilver 5/18/06 7:28:59 PM EDT: but when we put in the wiki how we did it....what will we write
		+	Aznx 5/18/06 7:29:20 PM EDT: Um.
		+
		+	This is what makes it to the Wiki:
		+
		+	In session 4, we continued our progress on the diamond problem. We found that if we filled up the diamound
		+	with more squares and get an easier square with 2n+1 as the dimension. So the number of squares
		+	in the big square is (2n+1)^2. We then minus the squares that we added on which was at the 4 corners,
		+	which grow in the same pattern as the triangle number in the first session. We used the formula for # of squares
		+	from the first session and times it by 4 to calculate the 4 corners that we add on to make the big square.
		+	The final formula for the # of squares in the diamond is (2n+1)^2-n(n+1)/2*4. We tested it several times to check if it works.

Jsarmi: /* Le'ts explain it together right here */

2007-12-06T16:08:10Z

Le'ts explain it together right here

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		+
		+	but bwang has to leave and Qs and Az struggle with creating an explanation, so they '''project''' it to next session:
		+
		+	====then lets pick it up next time when bwang can explain it====
		+
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:05:21 PM EDT: I'm not sure if we got the first formula though.
		+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 8:05:33 PM EDT: i don't think we did
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:06:37 PM EDT: (2n-1)^2=the # of squares in the big square
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:06:46 PM EDT: Correct?
		+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 8:06:57 PM EDT: Yes
		+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 8:07:27 PM EDT: But that is not in theri equation
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:07:29 PM EDT: So isn't that our first formula right there?
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:07:36 PM EDT: Hold on.
		+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 8:07:39 PM EDT: no....we want the sides
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:08:14 PM EDT: Read above.
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:08:24 PM EDT: bwang kind of explains it.
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:08:31 PM EDT: I somehow get it, but can't explain it.
		+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 8:08:59 PM EDT: then lets pick it up next time when bwang can explain it
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:09:12 PM EDT: So leave for today?
		+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 8:09:18 PM EDT: i suppose

	==Bwang's message in between sessions III and IV==		==Bwang's message in between sessions III and IV==

Jsarmi: /* Transition to the Wiki */

2007-12-06T15:56:16Z

Transition to the Wiki

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	Quicksilver 5/10/06 8:06:39 PM EDT: That may mean these types of problems all are similar in one way		Quicksilver 5/10/06 8:06:39 PM EDT: That may mean these types of problems all are similar in one way
		+
		+	====We should write it out here====

	The "natural" person to write their findings on the Wiki might be bwang since he is the one who was driving the process and explaining things to others, but he says he is "bad with words". So Quicksilver suggests that they do it together. In reality, he does it by himself almost, which is a great display of his level of engagement with prior group activity:		The "natural" person to write their findings on the Wiki might be bwang since he is the one who was driving the process and explaining things to others, but he says he is "bad with words". So Quicksilver suggests that they do it together. In reality, he does it by himself almost, which is a great display of his level of engagement with prior group activity:

Jsarmi: /* How did they derive it? */

2007-12-06T15:54:55Z

How did they derive it?

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		+	===Le'ts explain it together right here===
		+	This is something Aznx did in Session II also when team members were refusing the task of writing on the Wiki.
		+	(Aznx to the rescue)
		+
		+	Aznx 5/16/06 8:03:11 PM EDT: Le'ts explain it together right here

	==Bwang's message in between sessions III and IV==		==Bwang's message in between sessions III and IV==

Jsarmi: /* How did they derive it? */

2007-12-06T15:45:36Z

How did they derive it?

Jsarmi: /* Session III */

2007-12-06T15:43:37Z

Session III

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-	bwang8 5/16/06 7:43:33 PM EDT: what is n in their equation	+	:bwang8 5/16/06 7:43:33 PM EDT: what is n in their equation
-	p M M M M	+	:p M M M M
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:43:56 PM EDT: Good question	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:43:56 PM EDT: Good question
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:44:01 PM EDT: I don't know. :P	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:44:01 PM EDT: I don't know. :P
-	p M M	+	:p M M
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:44:10 PM EDT: Sides, sticks or squares?	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:44:10 PM EDT: Sides, sticks or squares?
-	p M	+	:p M
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:44:14 PM EDT: Gerry?	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:44:14 PM EDT: Gerry?
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:44:17 PM EDT: let ask xander	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:44:17 PM EDT: let ask xander
-	p M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M	+	:p M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:45:18 PM EDT: I assume N is the stage in the pattern	+	:Gerry 5/16/06 7:45:18 PM EDT: I assume N is the stage in the pattern
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:29 PM EDT: What do you mean?	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:29 PM EDT: What do you mean?
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:45:35 PM EDT: That is twelve extra squares in a five by five square	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:45:35 PM EDT: That is twelve extra squares in a five by five square
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:39 PM EDT: I'm confused how the pattern grows	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:39 PM EDT: I'm confused how the pattern grows
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:50 PM EDT: Oh, I get it now	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:50 PM EDT: Oh, I get it now
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:56 PM EDT: I was on the right track =P	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:56 PM EDT: I was on the right track =P
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:45:59 PM EDT: Just like in the original problem on the Topic	+	:Gerry 5/16/06 7:45:59 PM EDT: Just like in the original problem on the Topic
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:47:12 PM EDT: Stage N=1 is one square	+	:Gerry 5/16/06 7:47:12 PM EDT: Stage N=1 is one square
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:47:27 PM EDT: Stage N= 2 is a cross of 5 squares	+	:Gerry 5/16/06 7:47:27 PM EDT: Stage N= 2 is a cross of 5 squares
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:47:37 PM EDT: Ok	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:47:37 PM EDT: Ok
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:48:00 PM EDT: Stage N=3 is the bigger figure with 13 squares	+	:Gerry 5/16/06 7:48:00 PM EDT: Stage N=3 is the bigger figure with 13 squares
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:08 PM EDT: Stage N=3 is a cross of 9 squares or 13?	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:08 PM EDT: Stage N=3 is a cross of 9 squares or 13?
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:48:23 PM EDT: 13	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:48:23 PM EDT: 13
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:48:32 PM EDT: i tihnk	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:48:32 PM EDT: i tihnk
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:42 PM EDT: Because those extra four are tricky	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:42 PM EDT: Because those extra four are tricky
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:48:46 PM EDT: you could define the sequence either way	+	:Gerry 5/16/06 7:48:46 PM EDT: you could define the sequence either way
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:54 PM EDT: yeah	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:54 PM EDT: yeah
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:49:01 PM EDT: but it has to be constant	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:49:01 PM EDT: but it has to be constant
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:49:05 PM EDT: which did they do? Which is more interesting mathematically?	+	:Gerry 5/16/06 7:49:05 PM EDT: which did they do? Which is more interesting mathematically?
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:49:29 PM EDT: 13	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:49:29 PM EDT: 13
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:49:34 PM EDT: is much more interesting =P	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:49:34 PM EDT: is much more interesting =P
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:49:34 PM EDT: it doesn't actually have to be constant but it has to have some kind of patter	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:49:34 PM EDT: it doesn't actually have to be constant but it has to have some kind of patter
-	bwang8 5/16/06 7:49:53 PM EDT: ok	+	:bwang8 5/16/06 7:49:53 PM EDT: ok
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:50:23 PM EDT: Now what do we do?	+	:Aznx 5/16/06 7:50:23 PM EDT: Now what do we do?
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:50:33 PM EDT: this	+	:Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:50:33 PM EDT: this
-	bwang8 5/16/06 7:50:38 PM EDT: (2n-1)^2= the # of squares in the big square	+	:bwang8 5/16/06 7:50:38 PM EDT: (2n-1)^2= the # of squares in the big square
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-	nan 5/16/06 7:48:49 PM EDT: (we got a question for you from another team, which was posted in the lobby:	+	:nan 5/16/06 7:48:49 PM EDT: (we got a question for you from another team, which was posted in the lobby:
-	nan 5/16/06 7:48:53 PM EDT: Quicksilver 7:44:50 PM EDT: Hey anyone from team c, our team needs to know what n was in your equations last week	+	:nan 5/16/06 7:48:53 PM EDT: Quicksilver 7:44:50 PM EDT: Hey anyone from team c, our team needs to know what n was in your equations last week
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:04 PM EDT: oh	+	:Jason 5/16/06 7:49:04 PM EDT: oh
-	137 5/16/06 7:49:15 PM EDT: The length of a side.	+	:137 5/16/06 7:49:15 PM EDT: The length of a side.
-	qwertyuiop 5/16/06 7:49:16 PM EDT: was n side length?	+	:qwertyuiop 5/16/06 7:49:16 PM EDT: was n side length?
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:33 PM EDT: are you talking about the original problem with the squares	+	:Jason 5/16/06 7:49:33 PM EDT: are you talking about the original problem with the squares
-	137 5/16/06 7:49:48 PM EDT: I think nan is.	+	:137 5/16/06 7:49:48 PM EDT: I think nan is.
-	qwertyuiop 5/16/06 7:49:58 PM EDT: i think it's squares and diamonds	+	:qwertyuiop 5/16/06 7:49:58 PM EDT: i think it's squares and diamonds
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:58 PM EDT: oh	+	:Jason 5/16/06 7:49:58 PM EDT: oh
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:12 PM EDT: then if you look in the topic description, theres a column for N;	+	:Jason 5/16/06 7:50:12 PM EDT: then if you look in the topic description, theres a column for N;
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:14 PM EDT: thats what it is	+	:Jason 5/16/06 7:50:14 PM EDT: thats what it is
-	nan 5/16/06 7:50:17 PM EDT: ok, quicksilver said they got it	+	:nan 5/16/06 7:50:17 PM EDT: ok, quicksilver said they got it
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:25 PM EDT: so yes it is # sides	+	:Jason 5/16/06 7:50:25 PM EDT: so yes it is # sides
-	nan 5/16/06 7:50:26 PM EDT: thanks guys	+	:nan 5/16/06 7:50:26 PM EDT: thanks guys
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-	bwang8 5/16/06 7:43:33 PM EDT: what is n in their equation	+	bwang8 5/16/06 7:43:33 PM EDT: what is n in their equation
-	p M M M M	+	p M M M M
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:43:56 PM EDT: Good question	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:43:56 PM EDT: Good question
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:44:01 PM EDT: I don't know. :P	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:44:01 PM EDT: I don't know. :P
-	p M M	+	p M M
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:44:10 PM EDT: Sides, sticks or squares?	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:44:10 PM EDT: Sides, sticks or squares?
-	p M	+	p M
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:44:14 PM EDT: Gerry?	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:44:14 PM EDT: Gerry?
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:44:17 PM EDT: let ask xander	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:44:17 PM EDT: let ask xander
-	p M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M	+	p M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:45:18 PM EDT: I assume N is the stage in the pattern	+	Gerry 5/16/06 7:45:18 PM EDT: I assume N is the stage in the pattern
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:29 PM EDT: What do you mean?	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:29 PM EDT: What do you mean?
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:45:35 PM EDT: That is twelve extra squares in a five by five square	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:45:35 PM EDT: That is twelve extra squares in a five by five square
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:39 PM EDT: I'm confused how the pattern grows	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:39 PM EDT: I'm confused how the pattern grows
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:50 PM EDT: Oh, I get it now	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:50 PM EDT: Oh, I get it now
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:56 PM EDT: I was on the right track =P	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:45:56 PM EDT: I was on the right track =P
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:45:59 PM EDT: Just like in the original problem on the Topic	+	Gerry 5/16/06 7:45:59 PM EDT: Just like in the original problem on the Topic
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:47:12 PM EDT: Stage N=1 is one square	+	Gerry 5/16/06 7:47:12 PM EDT: Stage N=1 is one square
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:47:27 PM EDT: Stage N= 2 is a cross of 5 squares	+	Gerry 5/16/06 7:47:27 PM EDT: Stage N= 2 is a cross of 5 squares
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:47:37 PM EDT: Ok	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:47:37 PM EDT: Ok
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:48:00 PM EDT: Stage N=3 is the bigger figure with 13 squares	+	Gerry 5/16/06 7:48:00 PM EDT: Stage N=3 is the bigger figure with 13 squares
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:08 PM EDT: Stage N=3 is a cross of 9 squares or 13?	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:08 PM EDT: Stage N=3 is a cross of 9 squares or 13?
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:48:23 PM EDT: 13	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:48:23 PM EDT: 13
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:48:32 PM EDT: i tihnk	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:48:32 PM EDT: i tihnk
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:42 PM EDT: Because those extra four are tricky	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:42 PM EDT: Because those extra four are tricky
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:48:46 PM EDT: you could define the sequence either way	+	Gerry 5/16/06 7:48:46 PM EDT: you could define the sequence either way
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:54 PM EDT: yeah	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:48:54 PM EDT: yeah
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:49:01 PM EDT: but it has to be constant	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:49:01 PM EDT: but it has to be constant
-	Gerry 5/16/06 7:49:05 PM EDT: which did they do? Which is more interesting mathematically?	+	Gerry 5/16/06 7:49:05 PM EDT: which did they do? Which is more interesting mathematically?
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:49:29 PM EDT: 13	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:49:29 PM EDT: 13
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:49:34 PM EDT: is much more interesting =P	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:49:34 PM EDT: is much more interesting =P
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:49:34 PM EDT: it doesn't actually have to be constant but it has to have some kind of patter	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:49:34 PM EDT: it doesn't actually have to be constant but it has to have some kind of patter
-	bwang8 5/16/06 7:49:53 PM EDT: ok	+	bwang8 5/16/06 7:49:53 PM EDT: ok
-	Aznx 5/16/06 7:50:23 PM EDT: Now what do we do?	+	Aznx 5/16/06 7:50:23 PM EDT: Now what do we do?
-	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:50:33 PM EDT: this	+	Quicksilver 5/16/06 7:50:33 PM EDT: this
-	bwang8 5/16/06 7:50:38 PM EDT: (2n-1)^2= the # of squares in the big square	+	bwang8 5/16/06 7:50:38 PM EDT: (2n-1)^2= the # of squares in the big square
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-	nan 5/16/06 7:48:49 PM EDT: (we got a question for you from another team, which was posted in the lobby:	+	nan 5/16/06 7:48:49 PM EDT: (we got a question for you from another team, which was posted in the lobby:
-	nan 5/16/06 7:48:53 PM EDT: Quicksilver 7:44:50 PM EDT: Hey anyone from team c, our team needs to know what n was in your equations last week	+	nan 5/16/06 7:48:53 PM EDT: Quicksilver 7:44:50 PM EDT: Hey anyone from team c, our team needs to know what n was in your equations last week
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:04 PM EDT: oh	+	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:04 PM EDT: oh
-	137 5/16/06 7:49:15 PM EDT: The length of a side.	+	137 5/16/06 7:49:15 PM EDT: The length of a side.
-	qwertyuiop 5/16/06 7:49:16 PM EDT: was n side length?	+	qwertyuiop 5/16/06 7:49:16 PM EDT: was n side length?
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:33 PM EDT: are you talking about the original problem with the squares	+	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:33 PM EDT: are you talking about the original problem with the squares
-	137 5/16/06 7:49:48 PM EDT: I think nan is.	+	137 5/16/06 7:49:48 PM EDT: I think nan is.
-	qwertyuiop 5/16/06 7:49:58 PM EDT: i think it's squares and diamonds	+	qwertyuiop 5/16/06 7:49:58 PM EDT: i think it's squares and diamonds
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:58 PM EDT: oh	+	Jason 5/16/06 7:49:58 PM EDT: oh
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:12 PM EDT: then if you look in the topic description, theres a column for N;	+	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:12 PM EDT: then if you look in the topic description, theres a column for N;
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:14 PM EDT: thats what it is	+	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:14 PM EDT: thats what it is
-	nan 5/16/06 7:50:17 PM EDT: ok, quicksilver said they got it	+	nan 5/16/06 7:50:17 PM EDT: ok, quicksilver said they got it
-	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:25 PM EDT: so yes it is # sides	+	Jason 5/16/06 7:50:25 PM EDT: so yes it is # sides
-	nan 5/16/06 7:50:26 PM EDT: thanks guys	+	nan 5/16/06 7:50:26 PM EDT: thanks guys
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