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Admin — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:48:25 GMT

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==='''Game News:'''===

'''The following proposals are being voted on:'''
* [[396]], revising Canton Leader selection process.

'''The following proposals are currently up for debate:'''
* [[398]], defining Structures
* [[399]], amend [[342]]

'''New rules:'''
* [[393]], to transmute [[103]]
* [[395]], to transmute [[112]]
* [[392]], Canton industry (BobTHJ +10pts, +15pop, Wooble +15 pop, tucana25 +15pop)
* [[391]], to transmute [[388]] (Wooble +10pts,+15 pop; Tucana25 +15pop; BobTHJ +15pop)
* [[390]], immigration (BobTHJ +10pts, +15pop, Wooble +15pop, tucana25 +15pop)
* [[389]], casualties of war (Wooble +10pts,+15 pop; Tucana25 +15pop; BobTHJ +15pop)
* [[387]], repealed [[328]], [[363]] (Tucana25 +10pts, +15pop; BobTHJ +15pop; Wooble +15pop)
* [[386]], to allow for Dynasties and War (Tucana25 +5pts; BobTHJ, Wooble +15pop)
* [[385]], to amend Rule [[321]], describing the position of judge (Tucana25 +10pts, +15pop; BobTHJ +15pop; Wooble +15pop)
* [[384]], to create semi-random numbers (BobTHJ +10pts, +15pop; Tucana25 +15pop; Wooble +15pop)
* [[383]], repealed [[377]] (Wooble +10pts,+15 pop; Tucana25 +15pop; BobTHJ +15pop)
* [[382]], to assign Canton Residency to players (BobTHJ +10pts, +15pop; Tucana25 +15pop; Wooble +15pop)
* [[381]], to amend rule [[376]] (canton ranking) (BobTHJ +10pts, +15pop; Tucana25 +15pop; Wooble +5pts,-10pop)

'''The following proposals failed:'''
* [[394]], to transmute [[108]]
* [[397]], to transmute [[110]]

'''Scorekeeper'''
* Wooble is now the scorekeeper.

'''May Judge'''
* Tucana25 is now the Judge.

'''May Canton Leaders'''
* North - BobTHJ
* South - ''vacant''
* East - ''vacant''
* West - Wooble
* Center - Tucana25

==='''Meta-News:'''===
Popularity is now in effect following Rule [[360]] going into effect. The first rule this applies to is Rule [[363]]. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 16:30, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Please read "Recent troubles" on my [[User:Applejuicefool|user page]]. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 03:05, 29 December 2006 (EST)

I added the page '''[[Game-direction]]''' to the sidepanel right below the Main Page link as it seems to be our little meeting ground. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 02:46, 18 November 2006 (EST)

I made a logo. It should be appearing in the upper left-hand side right now. If anybody makes a better one, upload it.

Discussion and comments regarding the use of certain [[Nomicopolis:Rules and proposals header boxes|Rules and proposals header boxes]] are welcome on the [[Talk:Nomicopolis:Rules and proposals header boxes|talk page]]. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 01:12, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Current events/Febuary 2006

Admin — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:40:39 GMT

Admin:

==15:08, 17 February 2006 (PST)==
Site has been up for a little while now. Some of the basics are out of the way... still a lot to do. Hopefully this weekend shall be a productive one. I told one of my roommates about this wiki, he seemed interested. Sent out blurbs to nomic.net, rec.games.abstract as well as a couple of others. Nothing much else so until next time...
==18:33, 18 February 2006 (PST)==
Almost done with the setup, technically the game can start but I still need to do a little more major stuff as well a lot of minor stuff.

User:Shivan

Admin — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:39:31 GMT

Admin: Reverted edit of 202.158.165.82, changed back to last version by Shivan

{{Current number of points|20}}

Hello Everyone!

My real Name is Elgaard. I am 20 years old from Denmark. Right now I study Chinese at Copenhagen Business School.

'''My points'''
* Rule [[336]] +10
* Rule [[327]] +10

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322

Admin — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:39:08 GMT

Admin:

{{Current mutable rule}}

Proposed by --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 22:14, 17 November 2006 (EST)

When a rule is passed the player that proposed it shall gain 10 (positive) points.

322

Admin — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:38:41 GMT

Admin: Reverted edit of Admin, changed back to last version by 208.187.95.190

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Admin — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:38:24 GMT

Admin: Reverted edit of 208.187.95.190, changed back to last version by 60.32.150.164

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363

Admin — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:37:48 GMT

Admin: Reverted edit of 221.232.159.112, changed back to last version by 130.49.241.199

{{Repealed rule}}

Proposed by --[[User:Finisterre|Finisterre]] 05:26, 28 December 2006 (EST)

I propose rule 335 be amended to:

Any Player may accuse another Player of a violation of the rules. The Judge will determine if the accused Player is guilty and, if guilty will determine the punishment. A Player found guilty may ask for a decision to be overturned. The decision of the Judge may be overturned by a unanamious vote, in which the Judge and the accusing Player will not be allowed to vote. The decision of the vote may not be overturned.

Main Page

Admin — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:34:56 GMT

Admin:

<div align="center" style="border: 5px solid red; margin: 10px; font-size: 24pt"><br><br>Head to our new home:<br><br><br>http://nomicapolis.net<br><br><br></div>

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Talk:Decisions of the Judge

Admin — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:11:20 GMT

Admin:

I edited this page to remove a redirect to [[Talk:326]]. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 18:20, 29 November 2006 (EST)

I request a Judgment concerning proposal [[337]]. It is not proposed in the proper way per [[326]], no date and time is given for the end of debate, but rather the phrase "later date and time." I do not feel that this meets the intent of the rule. --[[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]] 20:01, 1 December 2006 (EST)

I request a Judgement to determine what timezone shall determine the 'first day of the month'. The election could be considered over if we go by official system time and not EST, as proposal [[342]] would state. I also posted this on the discussion page of actual December vote. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 20:12, 1 December 2006 (EST)

I request a Judgement on Rule 302. Rule [[302]] states: "Players are limited to one Nomicapolis account in play". Can you define 'in play'. If a player can legally remove themselves from the census and then rejoin "as a brand new player", it would seem to suggest 'in play' could be understood 'in use'. If this is not the opinion of the judge, this rule would seem to contradict itself. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 20:15, 2 December 2006 (EST)
:I believe you have addressed this. If you also think so and if it is permissable within the rules, I'd like to withdraw my request... --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 21:15, 2 December 2006 (EST)

::That's fine. I believe AJF009 covers your question, and I see nothing saying you can't withdraw a CFJ. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 23:01, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Quoteth the Judge: "I would suggest that Admin create some way for players to delete their player account."
: I am afraid that the best that I can do is block access of player accounts. Would that be acceptable? --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:26, 3 December 2006 (EST)

::Hmm...not sure. I guess that would work...if a player doesn't have access to an account, he can't really be penalized for "having" it, right? Go ahead and block access to all accounts that are not listed on the Census as either an active or inactive player. On second thought - if there are any accounts that have registered in the past two or three days, leave them alone. Those could be potential players just trying to get a grip on the rules before diving in. Also, if it's not too much trouble, send an email to the accounts that you block explaining the situation to them and tell them that they need to create a new account and add their name to the Census to play. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 09:19, 3 December 2006 (EST)

::: Alright, I will block access to all users who are not listed on the [[Census]] page as either active or inactive, excluding those that registered within the last week or so, I will not be able to send emails to them but I can put text on their user page to the effect described above. However, I would like to request that all [[Nomicapolis:Administrators|Administrators]] retain unblocked status as they have responsibilities to the wiki itself. --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:05, 3 December 2006 (EST)

Talk:Decisions of the Judge

Admin — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:05:37 GMT

Admin:

I edited this page to remove a redirect to [[Talk:326]]. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 18:20, 29 November 2006 (EST)

I request a Judgment concerning proposal [[337]]. It is not proposed in the proper way per [[326]], no date and time is given for the end of debate, but rather the phrase "later date and time." I do not feel that this meets the intent of the rule. --[[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]] 20:01, 1 December 2006 (EST)

I request a Judgement to determine what timezone shall determine the 'first day of the month'. The election could be considered over if we go by official system time and not EST, as proposal [[342]] would state. I also posted this on the discussion page of actual December vote. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 20:12, 1 December 2006 (EST)

I request a Judgement on Rule 302. Rule [[302]] states: "Players are limited to one Nomicapolis account in play". Can you define 'in play'. If a player can legally remove themselves from the census and then rejoin "as a brand new player", it would seem to suggest 'in play' could be understood 'in use'. If this is not the opinion of the judge, this rule would seem to contradict itself. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 20:15, 2 December 2006 (EST)
:I believe you have addressed this. If you also think so and if it is permissable within the rules, I'd like to withdraw my request... --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 21:15, 2 December 2006 (EST)

::That's fine. I believe AJF009 covers your question, and I see nothing saying you can't withdraw a CFJ. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 23:01, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Quoteth the Judge: "I would suggest that Admin create some way for players to delete their player account."
: I am afraid that the best that I can do is block access of player accounts. Would that be acceptable? --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:26, 3 December 2006 (EST)

::Hmm...not sure. I guess that would work...if a player doesn't have access to an account, he can't really be penalized for "having" it, right? Go ahead and block access to all accounts that are not listed on the Census as either an active or inactive player. On second thought - if there are any accounts that have registered in the past two or three days, leave them alone. Those could be potential players just trying to get a grip on the rules before diving in. Also, if it's not too much trouble, send an email to the accounts that you block explaining the situation to them and tell them that they need to create a new account and add their name to the Census to play. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 09:19, 3 December 2006 (EST)

::: Alright, I will block access to all users who are not listed on the [[Census]] page as either active or inactive, excluding those that registered within the last week or so, I will not be able to send emails to them but I can put text on their user page to the effect described above. --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:05, 3 December 2006 (EST)

Nomicapolis:Look and feel

Admin — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 07:33:06 GMT

Admin: /* Main Page */

This is a meta-discussion on how the non-rule pages of the wiki looks and feels and how it could be improved. This includes suggestions of pages that could be included in the navigation sidepanel, sprucing up the [[Main Page]], and maybe getting a new icon for the game. If you have an idea on how we can improve the look and feel of the wiki and it is not listed below, add it! --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 16:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)

==Logo attempt==

I made an attempt at generating a logo, however, looking at it, it might be too big: Check it out! [[image:Nomiclogo.gif]] [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 12:10, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Have to say I like it. Should make it a rule proposal for the "Offical Seal of Nomicapolis" and give yourself 10 points for the idea. And then if someone comes up with something better they can propose an amendment to change it. Make it a contest of sorts. I know I have no artist talent and no time at the moment. Good job and keep it up. --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 22:54, 2 December 2006 (EST)

== Navigation Sidepanel ==
Are there any pages that should be included in the navigation sidepanel? I've already added [[Game-direction]] which is a popular page with the wiki. Make your suggestions. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 16:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)

As a new player trying to get a feel for what course has been taken to arrive here, i would have found it useful to have a link to rules that are no longer 'current'. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 20:52, 29 November 2006 (EST)

: How about a complete list of all rules current and historical? Like the one that i keep on my user subpage: [[User:Simulacrum/All rules|All rules past and present]]. I need to update though. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 01:08, 1 December 2006 (EST)

That is exactly like what i was thinking...and for my purposes, now that you remind me where i saw it, i will steal it for my own userpage...but i sure could have used it a week ago before i had explored the website. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 01:10, 1 December 2006 (EST)

Could we perhaps combine 'Current Events', 'Community Portal', and 'Game Direction' into one Newsletter or something that could have sections that streamline those links that don't get used that often. I understand that we don't want it too big, but the current events and community portal don't seem to take up much space or get updated often. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 22:45, 2 December 2006 (EST)

I want to see [[Decisions of the Judge|Decisions_of_the_Judge]] added to the sidebar. --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 22:47, 2 December 2006 (EST)
:That would be nice. In the meantime, you can get there from my [[User:Applejuicefool|user page]]. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 22:56, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Perhaps we could combine the Decisions of the Judge with the Judge Election on the navigation panel. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 22:56, 2 December 2006 (EST)

== Main Page ==

How can we polish the [[Main Page]]? Does it look perfect right now? Should we completely tear it down and rebuild it? --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 16:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Since it is now a rule to declare the beginning of voting, can we put that information on the front page for proposals still under debate. It would be pretty easy for each player to do their own when proposing. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 22:43, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Anyone mind if I create "First-Timer" Guide to put on the front page or sidebar? It could contain the link to the proposal template, general suggestions, how a users page can be helpful, where to find discussions and whatnot...etc. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 21:22, 1 December 2006 (EST)
: I think that is a great idea! --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 22:34, 1 December 2006 (EST)
::How do i convince a page to have a 'Contents' within it? --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 23:07, 1 December 2006 (EST)
::: Um, sorry, I'm trying to figure out what you mean by the question. Could you describe what's happening? --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 23:40, 1 December 2006 (EST)
Something like this:Contents
[hide]
1 Logo attempt
2 Navigation Sidepanel
3 Main Page
3.1 Annoucements
4 Game-direction
5 Various pages for and about judges
6 Site icon
7 Proposals
--[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 07:33, 2 December 2006 (EST)
::: Ah, You are looking for a Table of Contents (toc), the box between the opening paragraph and the first header. Well, if your page has at least three headings, a table of contents is automatically generated. If you want to force a (toc) use the magicword <nowiki>__FORCETOC__</nowiki>. It must be on its own line and there must be at least one heading on the page for the toc to appear. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 13:28, 2 December 2006 (EST)
::::Perfect. Thank You --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 20:17, 2 December 2006 (EST)
::::And by the way, it took four heading to pop up the TOC for mine... --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 22:00, 2 December 2006 (EST)
Another formatting question: I am trying to create a link to 'Recent Changes'. How do I do it without using [[Special:Recentchanges]]? --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 22:21, 2 December 2006 (EST)
If you do not like the way that it looks in the link use a pipe (vertical bar |) within the double brackets like so, <nowiki>[[Official Page Name|text you want displayed]]</nowiki>. Example: [[Game-direction|Game Direction]] points to '''Game-direction''' and not '''Game Direction'''.
=== Annoucements ===

The template [[Template:Announcements|Announcements]] is a great way of getting news out there quickly. It does get bogged down with old news though. How about some sort of time-limit on how long an announcement is publicized? --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 16:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)

== Game-direction ==

The disccusions on the [[Game-direction]] page are in my opinion vital to the future of the game. It allows the players to guage the feeling on possible proposals, as well as, to dicuss the future of the game without the constraints of rulemaking. However, it is a bit clumsy in the presentation of information contained therein. [[User:Dayd|Dayd]] has cut the page somewhat recently to take out discussions that are no longer relevent to the game. I thank him for it because it was needed. Should we continue to edit out old discussions when the page seems to get a bit bulky? I would prefer that we place the old discussions on a archive page so that newer player might be able to refer to them should they ask about an old idea. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 16:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)

How about archiving old discussion on the current events pages, they appear to be unused at this time, and already contain some archives? --[[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]] 17:14, 29 November 2006 (EST)

: I would prefer that the archive be kept locally in relation to the page that is being archived. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 22:32, 1 December 2006 (EST)

Yeah I'd been chopping it 'cause I kept getting a this page excedes 52k or whatever message that and I didn't think some of the information was relavent any more plus a lot of it was mine or at least started by me and I didn't think it useful any more. As for an archive you can go back and look at previous page or versions of a page, or does that reset every once in a while. --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 22:52, 2 December 2006 (EST)

== Various pages for and about judges ==

I would like to thank [[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]] for the creation of [[Judge Election]], [[Decisions of the Judge]] as well as other pages of simular nature. I had meant to do it myself but I got bogged down with other happenings. I think that it would be nice to add an '''elections''' link as well as, a (previously removed) '''courthouse''' link at the top of the main page. Also, it may be to early to tell but, I would like to see those pages spruced up a bit. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 16:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Those pages are mostly place holders at this time, per the rules they are the domain of the player serving as Judge, so I have left them relatively open. --[[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]] 17:13, 29 November 2006 (EST)

== Site icon ==

The icon for the wiki is just a place-holder until somebody finds or creates a better one that we can use. If you find or make one upload it and suggest it. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 16:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)

== Proposals ==

The [[Proposals]] page focuses on instructions on how to make proposals. Should we move the text to a page with a better name (such as '''Proposal instructions''')? We could then make the proposals page just about current proposals with longer summaries than the announcements page. --[[User:Simulacrum|Simulacrum]] 16:26, 29 November 2006 (EST)

I agree with that idea, maybe a "newbie" page with all of those relevant instructions, so as to remove them from the main "playing" pages of this exercise. --[[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]] 17:12, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Maybe move it to "For information on how to write a proposal the right way read the [[Proposals_tutorial|Proposals tutorial]]". Like the top of the page says. And then the current Proposed by -NAME HERE- and Debate until -TIME AND DATE- and -VOTE NOW- information. --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 22:58, 2 December 2006 (EST)
:I support a change of something to that effect. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 23:21, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Talk:Decisions of the Judge

Admin — Sun, 03 Dec 2006 07:26:42 GMT

Admin:

Talk:337

Admin — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:29:45 GMT

Admin: /* Against (the proposal IS NOT improper) */

== Proposer's summary and declarations ==
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=1 Proposer's summary]
Alright this was a major change from the previous proposal, but still in line with the old. Regarding inactive players and their privledges. Debate will end for this proposal at a later date and time. --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 14:37, 29 November 2006 (EST)
The major point of the proposal is to fix the loophole of inactive players being allowed to make infinite proposals. Since only active players are limited to 3. --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 19:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)

== Debate ==
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=2 Add comments]

I would like to see instead an amendment to [[314]] limiting inactive players to 1 proposal, with the proviso that making a proposal does NOT remove a player from the inactive list. That way, if they make a proposal, while they're inactive, they still have to suck up their 1/2 vote, whether it's their proposal or not. That way the game can restart if everyone goes inactive. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:23, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Couldn't we do away with the 1/2 vote thing since an inactive player is losing points for inactivity. What if a player could resume active status by proposing a new amendment. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 02:25, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Then inactive would be no change in status, except for the loss of 10 points. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 07:50, 28 November 2006 (EST)

The change of status would be that an inactive player could not vote at all until making a proposal.--[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 09:05, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Oh, you mean that making a proposal would be the ONLY way back from inactivity. I don't think that's a good idea...if you start forcing people to make proposals, you end up with trash proposals ("The name of the game is now no longer Nomicapolis, but 'Bob.' All proposals must begin with the phrase 'Hail, Bob!'") [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 09:28, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Assuming no one else will vote for the amendment you mentioned, they will then have to lose another 10 points. Of course they may already be at zero. Something i just thought of, having a 1/2 vote is not going to be a punishment unless two inactive players vote on the same proposal (one for, one against), a 1/2 vote is just as good as a full vote. Anyway...not saying i will necessarily vote against it, just offering alternatives. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 21:41, 29 November 2006 (EST)
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I don't really see the point of the proposal. Acording to the definition of inactivity ([[314]]) a player can become active by voting on a proposal. So not being able to propose something is a very small pentalty, since you can vote once and then the penalty is gone.--[[User:Shivan|Shivan]] 00:19, 30 November 2006 (EST)

I don't know if the wording is any better now. Declaring inactive users unregistered suggests they shouldn't have the chance to cast a half vote. Also, i realized today that there is no rule preventing active players from having a score in the negative numbers (AJF does right now). So, perhaps that could be left out and the negative issue can be decided later. I still don't like the 1/2 vote thing because the likely result is that that result would count as a full vote (3.5-3 is just as good as 4-3 in a vote). The only time a 1/2 vote would have any impact would be if 2 inactive players both voted for or against a proposal. That seems extremely unlikely. The more i think about it, the more i'm sure i don't like this proposal. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 20:06, 1 December 2006 (EST)


==Improper Proposal==
[[326]] states that a player making a proposal must set a debate limit for that proposal. The limit of "a later date and time" does not meet the requirements of [[326]]. --[[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]] 08:09, 2 December 2006 (EST)

===Vote on Improper Proposal===
==== For (the proposal IS improper) ====
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=5 Add IMPROPER vote]
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==== Against (the proposal IS NOT improper) ====
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=6 Add NOT IMPROPER vote]
# [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 14:15, 2 December 2006 (EST); (See my reasoning in my ruling on the Decisions of the Judge page).



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== Vote ==
=== For ===
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=8 Add FOR vote]
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=== Against ===
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Talk:337

Admin — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:29:27 GMT

Admin: /* Against (the proposal IS NOT improper) */

== Proposer's summary and declarations ==
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=1 Proposer's summary]
Alright this was a major change from the previous proposal, but still in line with the old. Regarding inactive players and their privledges. Debate will end for this proposal at a later date and time. --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 14:37, 29 November 2006 (EST)
The major point of the proposal is to fix the loophole of inactive players being allowed to make infinite proposals. Since only active players are limited to 3. --[[User:Dayd|Dayd]] 19:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)

== Debate ==
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=2 Add comments]

I would like to see instead an amendment to [[314]] limiting inactive players to 1 proposal, with the proviso that making a proposal does NOT remove a player from the inactive list. That way, if they make a proposal, while they're inactive, they still have to suck up their 1/2 vote, whether it's their proposal or not. That way the game can restart if everyone goes inactive. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:23, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Couldn't we do away with the 1/2 vote thing since an inactive player is losing points for inactivity. What if a player could resume active status by proposing a new amendment. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 02:25, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Then inactive would be no change in status, except for the loss of 10 points. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 07:50, 28 November 2006 (EST)

The change of status would be that an inactive player could not vote at all until making a proposal.--[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 09:05, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Oh, you mean that making a proposal would be the ONLY way back from inactivity. I don't think that's a good idea...if you start forcing people to make proposals, you end up with trash proposals ("The name of the game is now no longer Nomicapolis, but 'Bob.' All proposals must begin with the phrase 'Hail, Bob!'") [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 09:28, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Assuming no one else will vote for the amendment you mentioned, they will then have to lose another 10 points. Of course they may already be at zero. Something i just thought of, having a 1/2 vote is not going to be a punishment unless two inactive players vote on the same proposal (one for, one against), a 1/2 vote is just as good as a full vote. Anyway...not saying i will necessarily vote against it, just offering alternatives. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 21:41, 29 November 2006 (EST)
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I don't really see the point of the proposal. Acording to the definition of inactivity ([[314]]) a player can become active by voting on a proposal. So not being able to propose something is a very small pentalty, since you can vote once and then the penalty is gone.--[[User:Shivan|Shivan]] 00:19, 30 November 2006 (EST)

I don't know if the wording is any better now. Declaring inactive users unregistered suggests they shouldn't have the chance to cast a half vote. Also, i realized today that there is no rule preventing active players from having a score in the negative numbers (AJF does right now). So, perhaps that could be left out and the negative issue can be decided later. I still don't like the 1/2 vote thing because the likely result is that that result would count as a full vote (3.5-3 is just as good as 4-3 in a vote). The only time a 1/2 vote would have any impact would be if 2 inactive players both voted for or against a proposal. That seems extremely unlikely. The more i think about it, the more i'm sure i don't like this proposal. --[[User:Tucana25|Tucana25]] 20:06, 1 December 2006 (EST)


==Improper Proposal==
[[326]] states that a player making a proposal must set a debate limit for that proposal. The limit of "a later date and time" does not meet the requirements of [[326]]. --[[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]] 08:09, 2 December 2006 (EST)

===Vote on Improper Proposal===
==== For (the proposal IS improper) ====
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==== Against (the proposal IS NOT improper) ====
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=6 Add NOT IMPROPER vote]
# [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 14:15, 2 December 2006 (EST); (See my reasoning in my ruling on the Decisions of the Judge page).
# --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:29, 2 December 2006 (EST)



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== Vote ==
=== For ===
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=== Against ===
[http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title={{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}&action=edit&section=9 Add AGAINST vote]
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Decisions of the Judge

Admin — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:26:58 GMT

Admin: * Links can be provided at the request of the judge.

=='''Judgments of [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]], first Judge of Nomicapolis.'''==

===Decisions requested by [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)===

''Ruling AJF001:'' '''Can there be more than one judge at a time?'''

[[321]] and [[328]] are the rules governing Judges. Although nowhere in either rule do I find language explicily stating that there can only be one judge at a time, frequent use of constructions such as "the Judge" and "the player" certainly imply that the intent of these rules is to provide for a single judge at any time. Therefore, I rule that '''there may only be a single judge at any one time, until such time as rules specifically allow for multiple judges.''' I also request that the legislature be more explicit in their rulemaking in the future. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)
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''Ruling AJF002:'' '''What is a "proposal?"'''

This term is curiously undefined in the rules. The immutable rules do not generally use the term by itself, instead using such constructions as "rule change proposal", "proposed rule change", etc. Recent rules, however, have made significant use of the term "proposal" by itself, including basing points on proposals, offering guidelines for proper proposals, etc.
So there are two terms that need definition: "Rule-change proposal" and "proposal." '''A "proposal" is hereby defined as "any officially offered statement EXCEPT rulings of the Judge, which, if approved by processes outlined in the rules, would create a long- or short-term change in the way Nomicapolis is played."''' This currently includes rule-change proposals and nominations for office. It does not include statements made on any Discussion page, and improper proposals are not considered to be proposals. '''A "rule-change proposal" is a proposal that would create a change to the Nomicapolis ruleset - A new rule, an amendment to an existing rule, transmutation of an immutable rule to a mutable rule or vice-versa, or repeal of a rule. The term "rule-change proposal" is synonymous with "proposed rule-change."''' Thus, all rule-change proposals are proposals, but not all proposals are rule-change proposals. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)
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''Ruling AJF003:'' '''How may points be gained and lost?'''

This has been the topic of some controversy lately. To maintain a harmonious play environment, it is my ruling that '''points may only be gained or lost if a rule specifically allows for such a gain or loss.''' [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)
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''Ruling AJF003:'' '''When does a newly elected Judge take office?'''

No rule specifically states a time frame for a new judge to take office. Rule [[321]] states that a new judge will be "voted for on the first of every month." '''Whichever candidate has the most votes by midnight of the 1st becomes the judge at 12:00.01 AM on the 2nd.''' In the event that no judge has been nominated or the election fails to meet quorum by midnight, a special election will immediately be held. The special election is not subject to the one-day limitations of a normal Judge election, instead following the voting rules set forth in [[326]] (unless further rules are adopted following this ruling). [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)
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''Ruling AJF004:'' '''When does a judge's term end?'''

'''A judge holds office until he resigns, he is removed from office by a supermajority vote (per [[321]]), or until the next judge takes office.''' Assuming neither of the first two criteria occur, the incumbent judge will continue to hold office until the next judge is elected. There is assumed to be no gap between a judge who holds office until the end of his term and a new judge duly elected. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)
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''Ruling AJF005:'' '''What happens to rulings requested of a judge who leaves office?'''

[[321]] gives a judge 7 days to make a ruling. It is my ruling that '''a judge whose term expires may continue to rule on any cases presented to that judge before the end of his term.''' So a player may actually make rulings up to 7 days after he leaves office as judge. The newly-elected judge may not use his powers as Judge to appropriate those cases. '''This does NOT apply to cases left over when a judge resigns or is removed from office by the players - those cases must be re-presented to the next judge.''' This is kind of a sloppy situation, and may be corrected by future legislation. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 00:02, 1 December 2006 (EST)
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===Decisions requested by [[User:TomFoolery|TomFoolery]]===

''Ruling AJF006:'' '''I request a Judgment concerning proposal 337. It is not proposed in the proper way per 326, no date and time is given for the end of debate, but rather the phrase "later date and time." I do not feel that this meets the intent of the rule.'''

Rule [[326]] states: "Said person is responsible for setting a debate limit at the time of the proposal by including the statement: "Debate will end for this proposal at **date and time**" in the "Proposer's summary and declarations" section of the talk page for that proposal." The previous sentence provides the antecedent for "said person": "the person proposing the rule change." '''If the player making a proposal fails to fulfill his responsibilities in creating that proposal, then that proposal is made in an improper way.''' This is a general ruling, and it is in no way intended to address the facts in the current case. It is not the jurisdiction of the Judge to make a ruling on whether proposals are proper or improper. See rule [[306]], clause 2. This clause provides steps for contesting the propriety of a proposal. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 21:47, 1 December 2006 (EST)
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===Decisions requested by [[User:tucana25|tucana25]]===

''Ruling AJF007:'' '''I request a Judgement to determine what timezone shall determine the 'first day of the month'.'''

This is not covered in the rules. However, it is in the best interests of Nomicapolis to have all players using a standard time frame, no matter their actual local time. Therefore, it is my decision that '''local time in the United States portion of the Eastern Time Zone shall be used as standard Nomicapolis time. This will include alterations for the Daylight Savings Time system, as long as a majority of United States territory in the Eastern Time Zone continues to use that system.''' This ruling will govern until such time as the rules of play specifically provide a different system. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 21:55, 1 December 2006 (EST)
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===Decisions requested by [[User:Dayd|Dayd]]===

''Ruling AJF008:'' ''' In regards to 337 it was proposed before a vote passed rule 326 therefore "Said person is responsible for setting a debate limit at the time of the proposal" should not be binding for a proposal proposed before this rule was implimented. '''

As Dayd points out, this is governed by [[107]]: "No rule-change may take effect earlier than the moment of the completion of the vote that adopted it, even if its wording explicitly states otherwise." I find that the last vote on [[326]] was cast at 00:29, 28 November 2006 (EST); hence it was adopted at 00:29, 29 November, 2006 (EST). The History page of 337 places the time of its proposal at 16:17, 27 November 2006 at the earliest. According to [[107]], [[326]] cannot retroactively govern the proposal of [[337]]. Also, according to [[326]], it only affects what the proposer does "...at the time of the proposal" and has no effect on an existing proposal. However, '''I once again iterate that this court has no jurisdiction over whether or not a proposal is proper.''' Rule [[306]] places that authority solely in the hands of the voters. While it is the personal opinion of this judge that, in this regard, [[337]] is not improper, a claim of impropriety has been made and must either be voted on or withdrawn. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 14:12, 2 December 2006 (EST)
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''Ruling AJF009:'' '''TomFoolery or Tom Foolery is in violation of rule 302 "Players are limited to one Nomicapolis account in play" Proposal 326 was proposed by Tom Foolery who was not on the census at the time of the Proposal.'''

It is the finding of this judge that there is a user page for [[User:TomFoolery]] and for [[User:Tom Foolery]]. In this case, I ask for testimony from three witnesses. Please answer the following questions narrowly and specifically:

Admin:

Do both of the above user accounts indeed exist?
: Yes.* --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:26, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Are they both accessed from the same IP address?
: No. --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:26, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Have they both been used for Nomicapolis game play?
: Yes.* --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:26, 2 December 2006 (EST)

TomFoolery:

Did you also register the "Tom Foolery" user account?

If so, have you used both accounts for Nomicapolis play?

If either or both is correct, why did you feel the need to register and/or use two accounts, in violation of the rules?

Tom Foolery:

Did you also register the "TomFoolery" user account?

If so, have you used both accounts for Nomicapolis play?

If either or both is correct, why did you feel the need to register and/or use two accounts, in violation of the rules?

Please place your testimony indented with one colon, immediately following the pertinent question. I withhold my judgment briefly while awaiting this requested testimony. [[User:Applejuicefool|Applejuicefool]] 14:12, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Current ruleset

Admin — Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:32:34 GMT

Admin: /* 208 */ typo changed 00 to 200

This is the current ruleset. Any changes to this must be approved as outlined within the ruleset. To propose any change to this ruleset please go to the [[Proposals]] page and follow the instructions there. If there is any inconsistency between this list and individual rules pages, the individual rules as displayed on their respective pages shall prevail. Please update this page with any recent changes to the rules as outlined on the proposal page.

==Immutable Rules==
===[[101]]===
All players must always abide by all the rules then in effect, in the form in which they are then in effect. The rules in the Initial Set are in effect whenever a game begins. The Initial Set consists of Rules 101-116 (immutable) and 201-213 (mutable).

===[[102]]===
Initially rules in the 100's are immutable and rules in the 200's are mutable. Rules subsequently enacted or transmuted (that is, changed from immutable to mutable or vice versa) may be immutable or mutable regardless of their numbers, and rules in the Initial Set may be transmuted regardless of their numbers.

===[[103]]===
A rule-change is any of the following: (1) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of a mutable rule; (2) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of an amendment of a mutable rule; or (3) the transmutation of an immutable rule into a mutable rule or vice versa.

(Note: This definition implies that, at least initially, all new rules are mutable; immutable rules, as long as they are immutable, may not be amended or repealed; mutable rules, as long as they are mutable, may be amended or repealed; any rule of any status may be transmuted; no rule is absolutely immune to change.)

===[[104]]===
All rule-changes proposed in the proper way shall be voted on. They will be adopted if and only if they receive the required number of votes.

===[[105]]===
Any registered user may propose a rule-change and is an eligible voter.

===[[106]]===
All proposed rule-changes shall be written down before they are voted on. If they are adopted, they shall guide play in the form in which they were voted on.

===[[107]]===
No rule-change may take effect earlier than the moment of the completion of the vote that adopted it, even if its wording explicitly states otherwise. No rule-change may have retroactive application.

===[[108]]===
Each proposed rule-change shall be given a number for reference. The numbers shall begin with 301, and each rule-change proposed in the proper way shall receive the next successive integer, whether or not the proposal is adopted.

If a rule is repealed and reenacted, it receives the number of the proposal to reenact it. If a rule is amended or transmuted, it receives the number of the proposal to amend or transmute it. If an amendment is amended or repealed, the entire rule of which it is a part receives the number of the proposal to amend or repeal the amendment.

===[[109]]===
Rule-changes that transmute immutable rules into mutable rules may be adopted if and only if the vote is unanimous among the eligible voters. Transmutation shall not be implied, but must be stated explicitly in a proposal to take effect.

===[[110]]===
In a conflict between a mutable and an immutable rule, the immutable rule takes precedence and the mutable rule shall be entirely void. For the purposes of this rule a proposal to transmute an immutable rule does not "conflict" with that immutable rule.

===[[111]]===
If a rule-change as proposed is unclear, ambiguous, paradoxical, or destructive of play, or if it arguably consists of two or more rule-changes compounded or is an amendment that makes no difference, or if it is otherwise of questionable value, then the other players may suggest amendments or argue against the proposal before the vote. A reasonable time must be allowed for this debate. The proponent decides the final form in which the proposal is to be voted on and, unless the Judge has been asked to do so, also decides the time to end debate and vote.

===[[112]]===
The state of affairs that constitutes winning may not be altered from achieving n points to any other state of affairs. The magnitude of n and the means of earning points may be changed, and rules that establish a winner when play cannot continue may be enacted and (while they are mutable) be amended or repealed.

===[[113]]===
A player always has the option to forfeit the game rather than continue to play or incur a game penalty. No penalty worse than losing, in the judgment of the player to incur it, may be imposed.

===[[114]]===
There must always be at least one mutable rule. The adoption of rule-changes must never become completely impermissible.

===[[115]]===
Rule-changes that affect rules needed to allow or apply rule-changes are as permissible as other rule-changes. Even rule-changes that amend or repeal their own authority are permissible. No rule-change or type of move is impermissible solely on account of the self-reference or self-application of a rule.

===[[116]]===
Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by a rule is permitted and unregulated, with the sole exception of changing the rules, which is permitted only when a rule or set of rules explicitly or implicitly permits it.

==Mutable Rules==
===[[201]]===
A Player may take a turn at any time. All players begin with zero points.

===[[202]]===
One turn consists of two parts in this order: (1) proposing one rule-change and having it voted on, and (2) subtracting 291 from the ordinal number of their proposal and multiply the result by the fraction of favorable votes it received, rounded to the nearest integer. (This yields a number between 0 and 10 for the first player, with the upper limit increasing by one each turn; more points are awarded for more popular proposals.)

===[[203]]===
A rule-change is adopted if and only if the vote is unanimous among the eligible voters. If this rule is not amended by the end of the second complete circuit of turns, it automatically changes to require only a simple majority.

===[[204]]===
If and when rule-changes can be adopted without unanimity, the players who vote against winning proposals shall receive 10 points each.

===[[205]]===
An adopted rule-change takes full effect at the moment of the completion of the vote that adopted it.

===[[206]]===
When a proposed rule-change is defeated, the player who proposed it loses 10 points.

===[[207]]===
Each player always has exactly one vote.

===[[208]]===
The winner is the first player to achieve 200 (positive) points.

===[[209]]===
At no time may there be more than 25 mutable rules.

===[[210]]===
If two or more mutable rules conflict with one another, or if two or more immutable rules conflict with one another, then the rule with the lowest ordinal number takes precedence.

If at least one of the rules in conflict explicitly says of itself that it defers to another rule (or type of rule) or takes precedence over another rule (or type of rule), then such provisions shall supersede the numerical method for determining precedence.

If two or more rules claim to take precedence over one another or to defer to one another, then the numerical method again governs.

===[[211]]===
If players disagree about the legality of a move or the interpretation or application of a rule, then the most recent player that took a turn is to be the Judge and decide the question. Disagreement for the purposes of this rule may be created by the insistence of any player. This process is called invoking Judgment.

When Judgment has been invoked, no rule-change may be voted on without the consent of a majority of the other players.

The Judge's Judgment may be overruled only by a unanimous vote of the other players taken before the next turn is begun. If a Judge's Judgment is overruled, then the player preceding the Judge in the playing order becomes the new Judge for the question, and so on, except that no player is to be Judge during his or her own turn or during the turn of a team-mate.

Unless a Judge is overruled, one Judge settles all questions arising from the game until the next turn is begun, including questions as to his or her own legitimacy and jurisdiction as Judge.

New Judges are not bound by the decisions of old Judges. New Judges may, however, settle only those questions on which the players currently disagree and that affect the completion of the turn in which Judgment was invoked. All decisions by Judges shall be in accordance with all the rules then in effect; but when the rules are silent, inconsistent, or unclear on the point at issue, then the Judge shall consider game-custom and the spirit of the game before applying other standards.

===[[212]]===
If the rules are changed so that further play is impossible, or if the legality of a move cannot be determined with finality, or if by the Judge's best reasoning, not overruled, a move appears equally legal and illegal, then the first player unable to complete a turn is the winner.

This rule takes precedence over every other rule determining the winner.

User:Admin

Admin — Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:22:55 GMT

Admin:

My game handle is [[User:Simulacrum]].

Hello, I am the administrator of Nomicapolis. Please leave a message on my [[User_talk:Admin|talk]] page or [mailto:admin-nomicapolis@hotmail.com email me] Thanks.

[[/Main Page initial text|My file cabinet]].

[[/Workspace|My workspace]]

[[/Time]]

User talk:Sinblox

Admin — Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:18:26 GMT

Admin: Fell asleep at the wheel...

Hi, welcome to the wiki! I am glad that you dropped by. I am sorry about the belated welcome (lightning storm fried my router). I have now activated a certain portion of the main page that gives easy access to major parts of this wiki. Add your name to the list of [[Players|players]] if you would like to play. You can leave a message for me at [[User talk:Admin]] or for email: admin-nomicapolis@hotmail.com

Have fun!

[[User:Admin|Admin]] 08:33, 28 February 2006 (PST)

== Go for it! ==

Your offer is much appreciated. I am still working on some of the [[User:Admin/Templates|templates]] right now. There are two more templates that needs to be finished before I can comfortably start the game. Also, if you think that the main page can be spruced up a bit, let me known and I'll unprotect it. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:14, 28 February 2006 (PST)

: Looking real good so far... also main page will be unprotected in a moment. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 19:03, 5 March 2006 (PST) '''UPDATE:''' Main page is unprotected and will remain so until there is a reason to protect it once again. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 19:08, 5 March 2006 (PST)

== Just curious... ==

How did you come across this wiki? [[User:Admin|Admin]] 21:19, 5 March 2006 (PST)

== Fell asleep at the wheel... ==

Sorry for the belated reply... Yes let's get started. Also, I have been meaning to register a new account for the game, I just haven't done it yet, I am doing it now. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 19:18, 30 March 2006 (PST)

User:Admin

Admin — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 02:47:31 GMT

Admin:

Hello, I am the administrator of Nomicapolis. Please leave a message on my [[User_talk:Admin|talk]] page or [mailto:admin-nomicapolis@hotmail.com email me] Thanks.

[[/Main Page initial text|My file cabinet]].

[[/Workspace|My workspace]]

[[/Time]]

User:Admin

Admin — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 02:45:41 GMT

Admin:

Help:Contents

Admin — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 06:05:16 GMT

Admin:

* See the [[Tutorial|tutorial page]] for information.
* For more in-depth information, a useful set of help pages can be found at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents

Nomicapolis:Community Portal

Admin — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 06:02:16 GMT

Admin:

General discussions about this wiki should be placed here.

==Initial ruleset discussion==
Discussion moved [[Nomicapolis:Initial ruleset|here]].

==Logo Contest==
We need a logo, if you would like to sumbit one for consideration please upload it and place it on the [[Nomicapolis:Logo contest|Logo contest]] page.

==Suggestions on the uses of namespaces==
This wiki comes with several default namespaces such as Main, Talk, User, Nomicapolis (Project), Image, as well as others. I would like to suggest the following customs for using each namespace.
* Main- This namespace would be used for official game actions and objects, such as rules, proposals and judgments.
* Main talk- This namespace would serve as the place for debate as well as voting for each proposal. It would also include antedotes and links to other pages of similar nature.
* Nomicapolis (Project)- This namespace would be for topics ranged outside of the game itself, but still related to the wiki.
* User- This namespace would be a metaphor for private property. Users (''i.e. players'') should not edit other user's pages, unless invited to do so. This is their home.
* User talk- This would be the primary means of communicating between users.

==Rules and proposal header boxes==
I have created a set of header boxes for rules and proposals. They can be viewed on [[Nomicopolis:Rules and proposals header boxes|this page]].

Nomicapolis:Initial ruleset

Admin — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 06:01:02 GMT

Admin:

There is a multitude of initial rulesets that can be used for the game of Nomic. Careful consideration should be given when deciding to start with one. Here are a few examples:

# Peter Suber's Initial Ruleset as listed at http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/writing/nomic.htm#initial%20set
# Pure Nomic Ruleset as listed at http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/PureNomicRuleset
# Imperial Nomic Ruleset as listed at http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/ImperialNomicRuleset
# any others as listed at http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/NomicVariant
# or suggest your own creation listed '''here'''.

==Suggestion 1==
===Discussions===
Some minor tweaks should be made before this ruleset could be used. Rule 201 for example should state: Players shall alternate in alphabetical order by username... Or better yet a first-come first-serve alternation. See [[User:Admin/Initial Rules|my take on this ruleset]]. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:52, 15 February 2006 (PST)
: I have created the pages outlined in this suggestion to show how it would look, these rules are not set in stone yet. Comments and further suggestions are very much welcome. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:01, 6 March 2006 (PST)

==Suggestion 2==
Talk about starting from scratch. This might be fun. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:23, 17 February 2006 (PST)

==Suggestion 3==
Not yet, at least. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:23, 17 February 2006 (PST)

Category:Mutable rule

Admin — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:47:58 GMT

Admin:

[[Category:Current rules]]

Category:Current rules

Admin — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:46:46 GMT

Admin:

This category is subdivided into '''immutable rules''' and '''Mutable rules'''.

Category:Current rules

Admin — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:44:50 GMT

Admin:

This category is used to list all '''current rules'''.

Category:Immutable rule

Admin — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:43:48 GMT

Admin:

This category is to list all immutable rules.
[[Category:Current rules]]

Help:Contents

Admin — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:33:38 GMT

Admin:

* See the [[Tutorial|tutorial page]] for information.

Current events

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:53:39 GMT

Admin:

Here is where you will find news regarding this wiki. If you feel that something noteworthy should be included here let [[User:Admin|me]] [[User talk:Admin|know]] or [http://www.editthis.info/Nomicapolis/index.php?title=Current_events&action=edit add it yourself].

==Archives==
* [[Current events/Febuary 2006|Febuary 2006]]

==22:53, 5 March 2006 (PST)==
Finally a [[Nomicapolis:FAQs|FAQs]] page has been setup, thanks to a recent arrival named '''[[sinblox]]''', who also started on a [[Tutorial]] page. This wiki is getting closer and closer to becoming presentable!

Current events/Febuary 2006

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:38:39 GMT

Admin: /Febuary 2006 moved to Current events/Febuary 2006

Current events/Febuary 2006

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:37:41 GMT

Admin:

User talk:Simulacrum/Admin

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:36:03 GMT

Admin:

This is the Administrator's talk page. Please leave a note and the admin will get right back to you.
==Deletion requests==
Deletion requests can go here for the time being.
* 

==Hello==
Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. Like the WIKI format and it's been a while since I played any Nomic game. I ran my own game "Newomic" a few years back for a brief time. [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 21:10, 26 February 2006 (PST)

Hi, thanks for the welcome. I wouldn't mind doing a bit of editing to get this wiki started. Is it alright if I get the FAQ started and a few other things? [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 20:10, 28 February 2006 (PST)
:: Hey, I'll try to work on some of that stuff this weekend. I have 3 exams coming up so I'm a bit tight but I think I can manage sometime on the weekend and when I'm done them next week. [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 21:14, 1 March 2006 (PST)

==Main Page==

Would you mind unlocking the main page? [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 19:28, 4 March 2006 (PST)
: Oh, btw, I got some work done. Check out the [[Nomicapolis:FAQs]] and [[Tutorial]]. Hopefully I'll get them finished in the next couple days. [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 20:47, 4 March 2006 (PST)

User:Admin

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:31:52 GMT

Admin:

Nomicopolis:Rules and proposals header boxes

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:22:37 GMT

Admin:

This is the list of header boxes that would be placed at the top of every rules page, as shown on [[101]], [[102]], [[201]], [[202]].

{{tl|Current immutable rule}}:
{{Current immutable rule}}

{{tl|Current mutable rule}}:
{{Current mutable rule}}

{{tl|Transmute to mutable}}:
{{Transmute to mutable}}

{{tl|Transmute to immutable}}:
{{Transmute to immutable}}

{{tl|Proposed rule}}:
{{Proposed rule}}

{{tl|Draft proposal}}:
{{Draft proposal}}

{{tl|Repelled rule}}:
{{Repelled rule}}

{{tl|Failed proposal}}:
{{Failed proposal}}

Nomicapolis:Community Portal

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:05:06 GMT

Admin:

General discussions about this wiki should be placed here.

==Initial ruleset discussion==
There is a multitude of initial rulesets that can be used for the game of Nomic. Careful consideration should be given when deciding to start with one. Here are a few examples:

# Peter Suber's Initial Ruleset as listed at http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/writing/nomic.htm#initial%20set
# Pure Nomic Ruleset as listed at http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/PureNomicRuleset
# Imperial Nomic Ruleset as listed at http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/ImperialNomicRuleset
# any others as listed at http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/NomicVariant
# or suggest your own creation listed '''here'''.

===Suggestion 1===
====Discussions====
Some minor tweaks should be made before this ruleset could be used. Rule 201 for example should state: Players shall alternate in alphabetical order by username... Or better yet a first-come first-serve alternation. See [[User:Admin/Initial Rules|my take on this ruleset]]. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:52, 15 February 2006 (PST)

===Suggestion 2===
Talk about starting from scratch. This might be fun. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:23, 17 February 2006 (PST)

===Suggestion 3===
Not yet, at least. [[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:23, 17 February 2006 (PST)

==Logo Contest==
We need a logo, if you would like to sumbit one for consideration please upload it and place it on the [[Nomicapolis:Logo contest|Logo contest]] page.

==Suggestions on the uses of namespaces==
This wiki comes with several default namespaces such as Main, Talk, User, Nomicapolis (Project), Image, as well as others. I would like to suggest the following customs for using each namespace.
* Main- This namespace would be used for official game actions and objects, such as rules, proposals and judgments.
* Main talk- This namespace would serve as the place for debate as well as voting for each proposal. It would also include antedotes and links to other pages of similar nature.
* Nomicapolis (Project)- This namespace would be for topics ranged outside of the game itself, but still related to the wiki.
* User- This namespace would be a metaphor for private property. Users (''i.e. players'') should not edit other user's pages, unless invited to do so. This is their home.
* User talk- This would be the primary means of communicating between users.

==Rules and proposal header boxes==
I have created a set of header boxes for rules and proposals. They can be viewed on [[Nomicopolis:Rules and proposals header boxes|this page]].

Nomicapolis:Community Portal

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:00:56 GMT

Admin:

Template:Transmute to immutable

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:32:29 GMT

Admin:

{| align="center"
|-
|
<div style="text-align: center; margin: 0 10% 1em 10%;">
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-top:5px Solid Orange; border-right:5px Solid Orange; border-bottom:5px Solid Orange; border-left:5px Solid Orange;"
|
{|
| <big>'''This is a proposal to transmute rule [[{{{1}}}]] into an immutable rule.'''</big>
|-
| The text of this proposal must be exactly the same as rule [[{{{1}}}]].
|-
| If this proposal is enacted, it will take the place of rule [[{{{1}}}]] which will thus be repelled.
|}
|}
</div>
|}

Template:Transmute to mutable

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:31:11 GMT

Admin:

{| align="center"
|-
|
<div style="text-align: center; margin: 0 10% 1em 10%;">
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-top:5px Solid Orange; border-right:5px Solid Orange; border-bottom:5px Solid Orange; border-left:5px Solid Orange;"
|
{|
| <big>'''This is a proposal to transmute rule [[{{{1}}}]] into a mutable rule.'''</big>
|-
| The wording of this proposal must be exactly the same as rule [[{{{1}}}]].
|-
| If this proposal is enacted, it will take the place of rule [[{{{1}}}]] which will thus be repelled.
|}
|}
</div>
|}

User talk:Sinblox

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:19:16 GMT

Admin: /* Just curious... */ forgot sig

User talk:Sinblox

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:18:51 GMT

Admin: Just curious...

User talk:Simulacrum/Admin

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:16:56 GMT

Admin:

==Hello==
Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. Like the WIKI format and it's been a while since I played any Nomic game. I ran my own game "Newomic" a few years back for a brief time. [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 21:10, 26 February 2006 (PST)

Hi, thanks for the welcome. I wouldn't mind doing a bit of editing to get this wiki started. Is it alright if I get the FAQ started and a few other things? [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 20:10, 28 February 2006 (PST)
:: Hey, I'll try to work on some of that stuff this weekend. I have 3 exams coming up so I'm a bit tight but I think I can manage sometime on the weekend and when I'm done them next week. [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 21:14, 1 March 2006 (PST)

==Main Page==

Would you mind unlocking the main page? [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 19:28, 4 March 2006 (PST)
: Oh, btw, I got some work done. Check out the [[Nomicapolis:FAQs]] and [[Tutorial]]. Hopefully I'll get them finished in the next couple days. [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 20:47, 4 March 2006 (PST)

Nomicapolis:Community Portal

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:15:54 GMT

Admin:

User talk:Sinblox

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 03:08:01 GMT

Admin:

User talk:Sinblox

Admin — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 03:03:30 GMT

Admin: /* Go for it! */

Census

Admin — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:14:05 GMT

Admin:

This is a list of players of this nomic game. Add your name easily by just typing <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> on the next available numbered line.

==Players awaiting the start of the game==

# [[User:Admin|Admin]]
# [[User:Sinblox|sinblox]] 20:04, 28 February 2006 (PST)
#

Template:Transmute to immutable

Admin — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:07:39 GMT

Admin:

{| align="center"
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<div style="text-align: center; margin: 0 10% 1em 10%;">
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-top:5px Solid Orange; border-right:5px Solid Orange; border-bottom:5px Solid Orange; border-left:5px Solid Orange;"
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{|
| <big>'''This is a proposal to transmute rule [[{{{1}}}]] into an immutable rule.'''</big>
|-
| The text of this proposal must be exactly the same as rule [[{{{1}}}]].
|}
|}
</div>
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Template:Transmute to mutable

Admin — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:03:47 GMT

Admin:

{| align="center"
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<div style="text-align: center; margin: 0 10% 1em 10%;">
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-top:5px Solid Orange; border-right:5px Solid Orange; border-bottom:5px Solid Orange; border-left:5px Solid Orange;"
|
{|
| <big>'''This is a proposal to transmute rule [[{{{1}}}]] into a mutable rule.'''</big>
|-
| The text of this proposal must be exactly the same as rule [[{{{1}}}]].
|}
|}
</div>
|}

Template:Transmute to mutable

Admin — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:01:58 GMT

Admin:

{| align="center"
|-
|
<div style="text-align: center; margin: 0 10% 1em 10%;">
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-top:5px {{{1}}}; border-right:5px {{{1}}}; border-bottom:5px {{{1}}}; border-left:5px {{{1}}};"
|
{|
| <big>'''{{{2}}}'''</big>
|-
| {{{3}}}
|}
|}
</div>
|}


|Solid Orange|This is a proposal to transmute rule [[{{{1}}}]] into a mutable rule.|The text of this proposal must be exactly the same as rule [[{{{1}}}]].}}

User talk:Sinblox

Admin — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:14:49 GMT

Admin: Go for it!

Template:Transmute to mutable

Admin — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 01:49:11 GMT

Admin:

Template:Transmute to mutable

Admin — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 01:47:11 GMT

Admin:

{{Message box|Solid Orange|This is a proposal to transmute rule [[{{{1}}}]] into a mutable rule.|The text of this proposal must be exactly the same as rule [[{{{1}}}]].}}