Dataset2/D2TASS - Revision history

Jsarmi: /* Final action: the rest on the Wiki */

2008-05-03T15:19:11Z

Final action: the rest on the Wiki

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	Rook 5/18/06 6:01:51 PM EDT: I think I'll quickly post what we found out just as tcmath was leaving (I checked with him in "life") on Wiki, I think I also have to leave in a minute		Rook 5/18/06 6:01:51 PM EDT: I think I'll quickly post what we found out just as tcmath was leaving (I checked with him in "life") on Wiki, I think I also have to leave in a minute
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		+	===Squares, Sticks, Cubes and Faces===
		+	Interestingly, this group did not see a problem with working on a problem that was too similar to the original one, as other groups did. It almost seems that it was exciting for them to figure out that the same results applied in some parts of it. For other groups this was a reason not to approach the problem at all. In addition, this group broke the cube into "faces" which led them to reuse prior findings but did not break the "faces" into sticks. In other words, in the original pattern 2D (squares) was divided into 1D (sticks) but for their pyramid, 3D (cube) was only divided into 2D (faces).

Jsarmi: /* Wait a minute...I'll look at it on the whiteboard */

2008-05-03T15:10:52Z

Wait a minute...I'll look at it on the whiteboard

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	Rook 5/18/06 5:45:57 PM EDT: I think it just took some time...		Rook 5/18/06 5:45:57 PM EDT: I think it just took some time...

-	==Something correlates	+	===Something correlates===

	Rook 5/18/06 5:48:30 PM EDT: something with the sticks in the original problem correlate to the number of faces in the cubes		Rook 5/18/06 5:48:30 PM EDT: something with the sticks in the original problem correlate to the number of faces in the cubes

Jsarmi: /* Wait a minute...I'll look at it on the whiteboard */

2008-05-03T14:49:50Z

Wait a minute...I'll look at it on the whiteboard

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	Rook 5/18/06 5:31:54 PM EDT: tcmath		Rook 5/18/06 5:31:54 PM EDT: tcmath
	tcmath 5/18/06 5:32:09 PM EDT: Yeah. Its long, but its our work.		tcmath 5/18/06 5:32:09 PM EDT: Yeah. Its long, but its our work.
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		+	===I figured it out... everything in 3D has a strong correlation to the original squares problem===
		+	Rook 5/18/06 5:34:50 PM EDT: so far, for N={1,2} I've gotten Faces={6,14}
		+	Rook 5/18/06 5:34:54 PM EDT: it looks similar...
		+	tcmath 5/18/06 5:35:19 PM EDT: I figured it out! (the faces). Its just 4*(1/2n^2+1/2n)
		+	Rook 5/18/06 5:35:39 PM EDT: that makes sense!
		+	Rook 5/18/06 5:35:55 PM EDT: the faces should be similar to the squares problem
		+	Rook 5/18/06 5:36:05 PM EDT: it's just "magnified" times 4!
		+	tcmath 5/18/06 5:36:41 PM EDT: I'll explain. There are two flat faces which are the full pyramid,
		+	and one which is 3d from one angle, and that same side has another 1/2n^2+1/2n squares viewable
		+	from a different abgle.
		+	tcmath 5/18/06 5:36:51 PM EDT: Does this make any sense?
		+	Rook 5/18/06 5:37:22 PM EDT: you mean the "opposite" side of the cube pyramid?
		+	tcmath 5/18/06 5:37:34 PM EDT: Exactly. Its intuitive, not mathematical as one might expect.
		+	However, we do notice that everything in 3D has a strong orrelation to the original squares problem

	===Wait a minute...I'll look at it on the whiteboard===		===Wait a minute...I'll look at it on the whiteboard===

-	tcmath 5/18/06 5:43:20 PM EDT: Wait a minute...I'll look at it on the whiteboard; I think the actual formula is 2.5N^2+2.5N+1, or 5(1/2N^2+1/2N)+1, the extra 1 for the top face.	+	tcmath 5/18/06 5:43:20 PM EDT: Wait a minute...I'll look at it on the whiteboard;
		+	I think the actual formula is 2.5N^2+2.5N+1, or 5(1/2N^2+1/2N)+1, the extra 1 for the top face.
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	Rook 5/18/06 5:44:08 PM EDT: (i get the four pyramids now: I was counting wrong)		Rook 5/18/06 5:44:08 PM EDT: (i get the four pyramids now: I was counting wrong)

Jsarmi: /* Wiki posting for Session I */

2008-05-03T13:38:29Z

Wiki posting for Session I

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	tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner.		tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner.

-	==Wiki posting for Session I==	+	==Wiki posting for Session I?==
-	It isn't clear that ~~this~~ results were posted between Sessions I and II ~~but they are relevant to the activity of~~ Session I: Some results are posted to the "rows of the table" page. Interestingly, their results differ with what Team B posted in the same page (almost next to it) by other teams. There is uptake of this triggered by the facilitator during Session II.	+	It isn't clear that results were posted between Sessions I and II. Most likely, in Session II the team posted results for both sessions. Some results are posted to the "rows of the table" page. Interestingly, their results differ with what Team B posted in the same page (almost next to it) by other teams. There is uptake of this triggered by the facilitator during Session II.
	For example:		For example:

Jsarmi: /* Wiki posting for Session I */

2008-05-03T13:37:10Z

Wiki posting for Session I

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	==Wiki posting for Session I==		==Wiki posting for Session I==
-	Some results are posted to the "rows of the table" page. Interestingly, their results differ with what Team B posted in the same page (almost next to it) ~~but, as will be seen, there~~ is no uptake of this (by ~~any of~~ the ~~2 teams):~~	+	It isn't clear that this results were posted between Sessions I and II but they are relevant to the activity of Session I: Some results are posted to the "rows of the table" page. Interestingly, their results differ with what Team B posted in the same page (almost next to it) by other teams. There is uptake of this triggered by the facilitator during Session II.
	For example:		For example:

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	Team name:		Team name:
-	Row 3:	+	Row 3:
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	==Feedback==		==Feedback==

Jsarmi: /* Session II */

2008-05-03T12:57:18Z

Session II

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	tcmath 5/11/06 5:04:13 PM EDT: Okay. You must agree that the squares is defined by the equation squares=1/2N^2+1/2N.		tcmath 5/11/06 5:04:13 PM EDT: Okay. You must agree that the squares is defined by the equation squares=1/2N^2+1/2N.

-	Rook attempts to paste ~~the problem~~ table into a textbox but the formatting does not ~~transfer~~ and he ends up with ~~along~~ list instead. Interestingly, this list ~~lacs a value~~ that may have been posted to the wiki already? The ~~value~~ for N=4 which in the wiki ~~reads~~ "Team name: A Row 4: 28, 10", and in Rooks texbox: "4 ? ?"	+	Rook attempts to paste a table of values into a textbox but the formatting does not work too well and he ends up with a long list instead. Interestingly, this list lacks values that may have been posted to the wiki already? E.g., The values for N=4 and N=5 which in the wiki read "Team name: A Row 4: 28, 10 / Team name: A Row 5: 40, 15", and in Rooks texbox: "4 ? ? / 5 ? ?". Perhaps they created these values in the second session since they map their equation: N^2 + 3*N?

Jsarmi: /* Session II */

2008-05-03T12:38:42Z

Session II

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	tcmath 5/11/06 5:04:13 PM EDT: Okay. You must agree that the squares is defined by the equation squares=1/2N^2+1/2N.		tcmath 5/11/06 5:04:13 PM EDT: Okay. You must agree that the squares is defined by the equation squares=1/2N^2+1/2N.

-	~~Tcmath~~ attempts to paste the problem table into a textbox but the formatting does not transfer and he ends up with along list instead.	+	Rook attempts to paste the problem table into a textbox but the formatting does not transfer and he ends up with along list instead. Interestingly, this list lacs a value that may have been posted to the wiki already? The value for N=4 which in the wiki reads "Team name: A Row 4: 28, 10", and in Rooks texbox: "4 ? ?"
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	===Are we doing Session 1 still? Lack of coordination?:===		===Are we doing Session 1 still? Lack of coordination?:===

Jsarmi: /* Session I */

2008-05-03T12:29:22Z

Session I

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	Work done F2F is reported to the chat... how is this "reporting" deployed? Initially Tc attempts a direct dialog style:		Work done F2F is reported to the chat... how is this "reporting" deployed? Initially Tc attempts a direct dialog style:

-	tcmath 5/9/06 5:12:43 PM EDT: So, Rook, we have the fact that squares is defined as a function of N by the partial sum quadratic for the sequence 1,2,3,4,5....	+	tcmath 5/9/06 5:12:43 PM EDT: So, Rook, we have the fact that squares is defined as a function of N
		+	by the partial sum quadratic for the sequence 1,2,3,4,5....

	This whiteboard textbook was created by tcmath before the previous message:		This whiteboard textbook was created by tcmath before the previous message:
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	tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner		tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner

-	~~At the end there is~~ a "plan" ~~made~~ which includes a report of what was done. This posting is deceptively simple. It is a report of what was done framed as "figuring out" ~~and a~~ projection of what can be done in the future with two qualifications: level of difficulty (easily) and manner (the same way). It is presented to an unspecified recipient, most likely, the moderator who has been giving out instruction on the task and asking for the status of Rook's participation.	+	This lat posting works like a "projection/plan" which includes a report of what was done. This posting is deceptively simple. It is a report of what was done framed as "figuring out" but such achievement (i.e. the equation for the squares) is not recap, nor placed on the whiteboard. The projection made of what can be done in the future with two qualifications: level of difficulty (easily) and manner (the same way). It is presented to an unspecified recipient, most likely, the moderator who has been giving out instruction on the task and asking for the status of Rook's participation.

	tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner.		tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner.

Jsarmi: /* Feeback */

2008-05-03T12:04:28Z

Feeback

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	tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner.		tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner.

-	==~~Feeback~~==	+	==Wiki posting for Session I==
		+	Some results are posted to the "rows of the table" page. Interestingly, their results differ with what Team B posted in the same page (almost next to it) but, as will be seen, there is no uptake of this (by any of the 2 teams):
		+	For example:
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		+	Row 3
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		+	Team name: B
		+	Row 3: 28, 10
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		+	Team name: A
		+	Row 3: 18, 6
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		+	Team name:
		+	Row 3:
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		+	==Feedback==
	(No Feedback in between sessions)		(No Feedback in between sessions)

Jsarmi: /* Session I */

2008-05-03T11:54:11Z

Session I

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	jsarmi 5/9/06 5:24:57 PM EDT: I see		jsarmi 5/9/06 5:24:57 PM EDT: I see
	tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner		tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner
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		+	At the end there is a "plan" made which includes a report of what was done. This posting is deceptively simple. It is a report of what was done framed as "figuring out" and a projection of what can be done in the future with two qualifications: level of difficulty (easily) and manner (the same way). It is presented to an unspecified recipient, most likely, the moderator who has been giving out instruction on the task and asking for the status of Rook's participation.
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		+	tcmath 5/9/06 5:25:16 PM EDT: We figured out the equation for squares, and we should easily solve it for sticks as well in the same manner.

	==Feeback==		==Feeback==